The Non-Jazz NBA Thread in the Jazz Section

[fishonjazz]

Instead of saying they are bad shooters because they play in a bad offense or because they get bad shots or whatever how about showing how/they are good shooters in your eyes?

 

[Hearsky]

Instead of saying they are bad shooters because they play in a bad offense or because they get bad shots or whatever how about showing how/they are good shooters in your eyes?

And, then, enjoy yourself some Aussie bites and string cheese and move the hell on.

 

[KqWIN]

i just asking for some evidence and/or statistics.
I mean you say they are taking bad shots and thats the missing context that explains their poor shooting stats. good shooters take bad shots and make them all the time. I see beasley and clarkson do it on the regular. If they can only make wide open perfect situation shots then maybe they are not good shooters?

I didn't even say they were good shooters. Reality is they are mediocre shooters with bad percentages and percentages are bad or not great because they take bad and difficult shots. The larger point was that I don't think the TWolves are doomed because of their level of shooting. 1) because they were great last year with the same level of shooting. 2) because their shooting talent isn't that bad to begin with.

Royce can only make wide open perfect shot situations. His percentages are higher than Dame. That's why is say you can't just look at percentages. Does that register at all? Like you can't just determine how good a shooter is by only looking at their percentage. You actually have to weigh their percentages with the context in which the shots were taken. The percentage of shots a guy makes is a result of his ability to make the shots and the difficulty of shots, so you have to consider both. I cannot explain it any more simply than that.

 

[KqWIN]

The ironic part about this silly conversation is that even by pure 3FG%, those two aren't even that terrible If you take the last 3 years (including this one), Russell is basically league average and Edwards just below it. Everyone knows that they are high volume 3 point shooters who take a lot of the dribble and generally play like idiots on offense. If you give any consideration to the context in which they shoot they are at worst slightly above average as shooters, but even without any context at all they are average or just barely below it.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I didn't even say they were good shooters. Reality is they are mediocre shooters with bad percentages and percentages are bad or not great because they take bad and difficult shots. The larger point was that I don't think the TWolves are doomed because of their level of shooting. 1) because they were great last year with the same level of shooting. 2) because their shooting talent isn't that bad to begin with.

I was waiting for you to say this.

Do you know which team made the most 3-pointers last year? Minnesota. They were 12th in 3PT% as well.

This year they are 15th in 3-pointers made and 25th in 3PT%.

They are shooting 7.1 less threes a game as well. Seems like a big difference to me.

Not only are they shooting WAY less threes they are shooting a much worse percentage (3.1% worse).

Beasley was 5th in the entire league last year in three-pointers made. Right now they don’t have anyone even close to the top-15 let alone top-5.

You should probably do a little research before you start posting nonsense.

 

[Jingled]

Lakers are now 2-10 and I continue to be completely dumbfounded that Rob Pelinka was given a contract extension in the offseason.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

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Sure David… this ain’t about Don.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Lakers are now 2-10 and I continue to be completely dumbfounded that Rob Pelinka was given a contract extension in the offseason.

They are so ****ed. Worst part is they don’t even own their own pick this year. Their real only course of action is to trade Anthony Davis.

 

[Jingled]

They are so ****ed. Worst part is they don’t even own their own pick this year. Their real only course of action is to trade Anthony Davis.

They were so stupid not to do the Jazz deal. Bogey's averaging 20 ppg this season on 50% shooting and 43% from 3, Conley averaging 12 and 8 and shooting 41% from 3. Both guys would've been a great fit next to Lebron and AD.

 

[Elizah Huge]

They were so stupid not to do the Jazz deal. Bogey's averaging 20 ppg this season on 50% shooting and 43% from 3, Conley averaging 12 and 8 and shooting 41% from 3. Both guys would've been a great fit next to Lebron and AD.

Exactly. They didn’t want to give up future picks but now what? You’re wasting an entire season with nothing to show for it. Now their literal only move is to trade Davis and who knows if they will or not.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Trouble brewing in Cleveland.

I don't think Garland and Don can co-exist in a productive way in the long run. They gave DG, an extremely ball dominant player, a max deal and all but anointed him the face of the franchise. Then they bring in another very small star guard who pretty much has the exact same player profile. Of course they both need to start and be heavily featured in the offense. I'm sorry but that's a recipe for disaster, and I'm not even talking about defense. You can talk about staggering minutes all you want, but in crunch time, you can't keep one of these guys on the bench.

Another example of the GM level wishful thinking that's so prevalent in the league today. First you prop up the ego of a young player because you want to sign him to an extension, then you expect that ego to disappear when another would-be alpha dog arrives. Not happening.

I expect the Cavs to start listening to trade offers on Garland before long if this season goes south (relative to expectations). Mitchell took DG's team from him and there's zero chance his camp is happy about it. Trouble is, it's a tough market right now. Not easy to get back equal value if you're trying to win like the Cavs are.

Making matters worse is the fact that the Cavs don't even know if Don will stay beyond his current deal. The Garland situation may affect his decision making, so all this has to be resolved in some way ASAP.

 

[KqWIN]

I was waiting for you to say this.

Do you know which team made the most 3-pointers last year? Minnesota. They were 12th in 3PT% as well.

This year they are 15th in 3-pointers made and 25th in 3PT%.

They are shooting 7.1 less threes a game as well. Seems like a big difference to me.

Not only are they shooting WAY less threes they are shooting a much worse percentage (3.1% worse).

Beasley was 5th in the entire league last year in three-pointers made. Right now they don’t have anyone even close to the top-15 let alone top-5.

You should probably do a little research before you start posting nonsense.

They were better on offense with Beasley on the court. I believe already mentioned this. I can’t really say the lack of Malik Beasley is the difference, when it’s clear he was not the player driving their good offense. The same lineups with the same players and similar shooting are performing worse.

The fact that the Timberwolves were the heaviest three pointing team in the league only strengthens my feeling on this. Sure, Beasley was a big part of it. But he wasn’t the key to their offense by any means and not the only player driving it. The same players who drove the performance last season are still there, just performing worse. There’s a difference between not having enough shooting and not making shots. You can always use more shooting, and Beasley did help them, but at some point you’ve just got to say these guys are playing like **** and they’ve got to play better.

Why are they performing so badly? I think the individual attitudes are worse, and they simply can’t play with Gobert. Gobert is dragging these numbers, and it’s not a shooting difference between Vanderbilt and Gobert that’s caused the change.

The same amount of shooting performed significantly better last year, but last year they were playing together. If these guys were playing good team basketball, they’d be performing. That’s the limiting factor.

Take a look at the Jazz last season. Also one of the best three point shooting teams in the league. In the playoffs, their frequency of attempts dropped significantly as well as the percentage. Would I say they needed more shooting? I wouldn’t. I would say there was more than enough shooting on the team…it was more of a symptom of poor performance and strategy. There were fundamental flaws with the Jazz team, but shooting was not one of them even it was a symptom.