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Kobe took over 27 shots per game in a season. Luka career high is 22 shots per game in a season. Todays game is also faster pace and kobe still leads by a ton in that category. Probably why kobe never won anything. Too much of a ball hog and ball hogs cant win.
 
fishonjazz said:
I know you hate this but........ Go ahead and post his usage vs Luka. Post their iso stats or on ball stats. I watched him play as much as anyone. He ball hogged like a mo fo.
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Thing is, Cy hasnt watched Luka. He has proven it here. That iso crap was hilarious since Luka is way more of a PnR guy.

Also went to check to compare Harden and Luka in PnR vs iso play counts.

Roughly 2:1 ratio, but it goes the opposite way. Harden runs twice as many isos as he does PnRs, and Luka has those numbers the other way around.

But sure. Same player, same iso heavy style.
 
HermanG said:
Thing is, Cy hasnt watched Luka. He has proven it here. That iso crap was hilarious since Luka is way more of a PnR guy.

Also went to check to compare Harden and Luka in PnR vs iso play counts.

Roughly 2:1 ratio, but it goes the opposite way. Harden runs twice as many isos as he does PnRs, and Luka has those numbers the other way around.

But sure. Same player, same iso heavy style.
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I see you have heavily fixated on the word ISO to the point you are ignoring everything else. As I said, ISO is only part of it. If you dont want to actually read and just slobber over Luka's knob go ahead brother.

Also the NBA's cameras play typing is only so accurate. There are PNR plays that are designed to get an isolation that are counted towards being a PNR (that anyone with functioning eyeballs would consider an iso) and other such things that get miscategorized. (also isolation post-ups that are considered postups, but are also functionally isos)
 
HermanG really wants to die on this hill that Luka/Harden aren't similar when they are clearly the two most similar stars in the NBA. From their temperament, playstyle, complaining to the refs, and love of partying.
 
fishonjazz said:
Kobe took over 27 shots per game in a season. Luka career high is 22 shots per game in a season. Todays game is also faster pace and kobe still leads by a ton in that category. Probably why kobe never won anything. Too much of a ball hog and ball hogs cant win.
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Now look at how many shots he took when he won rings genius.

And again, Kobe played this thing called defense.

Funny how yall get so fixated on one little part and act like you figured something out lmao.
 
I understand what Cy is trying to convey and can put it into numbers by taking Usage rate and Assist rate... he ends up using or assisting around like 80% of the possessions when he's on the court. Lebron and others have hovered in the 70s in their title runs.

Yes everything goes through him and its is slightly more than other heliocentric guys... but also he is AMAZING at it and it is a really efficient way to run. Unlike Harden Luka is 6'9" and a better passer... he also has a mid range game... so while he is susceptible to having a bad shooting night and hurting his team... he also has lots of ways to eat that harden didn't if a team shuts off his water or refs are buying the foul grifting.

The dude can also change how he plays slightly. Guys in their first 5 years look and play different in there second 5 years. Luka has had as much success as any young player not named Tim Duncan or Lebron (in the modern era)... maybe just let him cook before declaring him not a championship player.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Now look at how many shots he took when he won rings genius.
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One of the years he won a ring he averaged more shots per game than Luka in any season in his career. The other seasons are about the same as luka. In a slower paced era. lol.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Compared to today’s pace it probably comes out to like 30 shots a game.
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Ya, I thought it was common knowledge that kobe was a ball hog. I guess only to those who watched him play. He was damn good ball hog though and he was ball hogging cause that gave the team the best chance to win.
Jordan was also a ball hog. Just looked up his stats. He took more shots per game in almost every season than luka career high shots per game in a season. In a much much slower pace.
 
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