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Agreed.
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Again this isn't just about shots per game....
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It's also about usage and iso and you digging your heels in so no matter what data is presented to your it won't matter.
 
Sardines said:
Right. One should also consider how much shot clock he had possession of the ball for compared to the rest of the team. It's probably worse than these guys are making it out to be.
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Ya could be. Post the data and let's find out.
I'm guessing he has the ball in hand more than guys like Kobe and LeBron since Luka is a point guard and they are not. I'm guessing he has the ball less than harden did though.
 
32 points, 8 assists and 9 rebounds per game. Dudes like that can't win
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya could be. Post the data and let's find out.
I'm guessing he has the ball in hand more than guys like Kobe and LeBron since Luka is a point guard and they are not. I'm guessing he has the ball less than harden did though.
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I was talking about Kobe. He had the ball in hand A LOT. Everyone on the team like "is Kobe gonna gift me with a pass one time?" as they stand around watching him play like they paid for seats to the game.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
HermanG really wants to die on this hill that Luka/Harden aren't similar when they are clearly the two most similar stars in the NBA. From their temperament, playstyle, complaining to the refs, and love of partying.
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I have never said they arent similar. Dont put words in my mouth. Had you used correct analogies I wouldnt have pushed back.

But I'm still not convinced you have actually watched him that much. The iso comp was so weird since thats more like the separating thing. The way Luka runs iso is much more like SGA does it or Siakam even. He usually runs them from normal formation, drives the defender to the post and uses fake shots, nifty spins and euro steps. Only Hardenesque thing he does is stepbacks from the perimeter and even then I think he does more stepbacks out of PnR like most NBA guards. Harden on the other hand is more about PoA perimeter iso with clear out formations and his primary moves are crossovers, direct drives, pull-ups and stepbacks.

Where he is like Harden (in a negative sense) is that they are both ball hogs and overdribblers. Luka is even worse at that than Harden, who at least has some sense of pace, whereas Luka just kills the momentum quite often. But thats not the comp you chose to make.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Luka/Lauri/Kessler would be a serious title contender... I have zero doubt about it.

My reservations on Luka is we'd likely never get on his list of preferred destinations and without that you'd have him for such a small window it is too big of a bet to make for a 12 month opportunity.
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Eh, Toronto turned that exact scenario into a ring with Kawhi. Would a short term rental be worth it for a ring?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Eh, Toronto turned that exact scenario into a ring with Kawhi. Would a short term rental be worth it for a ring?
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What was their investment and what will our investment be?

They gave up DeRozan, 1 first, and Poeltl... At the very minimum... we'd be giving up 3+ firsts and 1 or 2 of our top young players. Kawhi was a once in a lifetime type of situation. He sat out games with his tendinopathy so that scared away some suitors. SA refused to deal with the Lakers and wanted to stay mediocre... so they did a weird deal on the cheap.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What was their investment and what will our investment be?

They gave up DeRozan, 1 first, and Poeltl... At the very minimum... we'd be giving up 3+ firsts and 1 or 2 of our top young players. Kawhi was a once in a lifetime type of situation. He sat out games with his tendinopathy so that scared away some suitors. SA refused to deal with the Lakers and wanted to stay mediocre... so they did a weird deal on the cheap.
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Well you added to your reservations which center around us primarily being a short-term suitor. If that is the primary concern, well it's worked out at least once, and I'm sure we could come up with other examples as well. But now you added the caveat of cost. Seems like the short-term rental aspect isn't necessarily your biggest reservation. But from the standpoint of your original post the question stands, is it worth having him for a year if that year yielded a ring? Legit question as, to your new point, getting him for that year likely details us doing much beyond that due to cost. But we'd have to consider it, imo, if we felt it could get us a ring. And if we did get a ring maybe it would be enough for him to stick around for longer.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Well you added to your reservations which center around us primarily being a short-term suitor. If that is the primary concern, well it's worked out at least once, and I'm sure we could come up with other examples as well. But now you added the caveat of cost. Seems like the short-term rental aspect isn't necessarily your biggest reservation. But from the standpoint of your original post the question stands, is it worth having him for a year if that year yielded a ring? Legit question as, to your new point, getting him for that year likely details us doing much beyond that due to cost. But we'd have to consider it, imo, if we felt it could get us a ring. And if we did get a ring maybe it would be enough for him to stick around for longer.
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Look banners fly forever so yeah it'd be worth it... but even the Leonard rental may not work out if KD doesn't snap his achilles. Its a big bet to make... so yes cost is like the biggest factor. If I am renting something for $1,000 or $1M the assessment changes.
 
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