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Handlogten's Heros said:
If the threshold is championship or the trade wasn’t successful then 99% of the transactions in the nba were failures. The Mike trade was a win… we just needed a bigger win.
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My personal threshold isn’t a championship. We didn’t get anywhere close to a championship. But when you’ve got Don and Rudy on your team I think the threshold is a bit more than being a better regular season team. Conley was just one of a long string of moves that made it very difficult to advance further in the playoffs and almost impossible to win a championship. It wouldn’t have been as bad if we didn’t fill the roster with bad perimeter defenders and continue to double down on that roster composition + coach.

We ended up recouping a lot of the assets back. But again, there was a big opportunity cost in using up our Don/Rudy with those guys. We had a team that we knew would get cooked in the playoffs, we continued to get cooked, and we made no significant changes.

But Conley definitely does not the worst move/non-move of that Jazz era. It’s just not a move I would do again. He was always going to be a bad pairing with Mitchell in the playoffs.
 
Udidthizz said:
If you look back now not much was lost (other than the theoretical opportunity to trade for a better player than Mike):
Korver: retired.
Crowder: signed for the minimum by the Bucks and barely playing at the end of last year.
Bazley: just waived by Brooklyn.
Kessler: came home to us.
So essentially all we lost was Grayson Allen, whom most here can live without.
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That is really not the case. The talk was that it was between us and the pacers for the Conley trade. Let the pacers take Conley and we are in the perfect position to step in and snag Brogdon for a future 1st like the pacers got him for. Add Brogdon, Crowder and Allen to the 19-20 and 20-21 teams and maybe we are looking at an nba title right now.
 
sip said:
That is really not the case. The talk was that it was between us and the pacers for the Conley trade. Let the pacers take Conley and we are in the perfect position to step in and snag Brogdon for a future 1st like the pacers got him for. Add Brogdon, Crowder and Allen to the 19-20 and 20-21 teams and maybe we are looking at an nba title right now.
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Because Brogdon improved the Pacers so much?

Has nobody watched Brogdon play?
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
The Conley trade worked out. But I feel like we should all remember how poor Mike's first year with the jazz went. That's the reason that many people got entrenched in their hatred of the trade. For a full year their suspicions of pushing ALL IN for Mike were confirmed.
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I remember how excited the crowd would get when mike would hit an easy gimme shot because he was stone cold terrible for the first couple months here. I don't know if he was even shooting at 20% from the field in those first weeks. Worst shooting I've seen from a guy who was a well established player that shot at least decently well for years in Memphis.

In the end I liked the guy and was happy to have him on the team, but whoa that was a rough start.
 
sip said:
So you are telling me that Brogdon isn't a solid player that would have been a good fit with Mitchell?
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He's not better than Mike, and wouldn't have been a good fit with Don.

He found his role as a 6th man, but doesn't play good enough defense or make others better, so isn't a starting point guard.
 
I disagree that Brogdon is not a good fit with Don. He is much better at guarding bigger players than Conley and is also a really good passer/PnR operator. He was the primary on Kawhi in playoff series and held him to 13/39 shooting when matched up with him. It's easy to forget that he was a primary wing defender for those Bucks teams and he held up fairly well in the playoffs. He came at a significantly lower cost as well, both in salary and assets given.

But again, we already had the perfect backcourt partner with Don. His name was Joe Ingles. Part of my gripe with the Don trade was this idea that we had to get a PG to play with Conley. Chasing a PG was misguided. Even in the regular seasons when Conley was injured we played great without him, in large part due to the fact that Joe was perfect next to Don and we had plenty of other offensive focused players. What we were really dying for was a wing player and instead we spent the assets on a player who didn't fit next Donovan while attempting to fill a need that we didn't have in the first place. I don't want want to go back with complete hindsight and say the Conley deal was bad because we could have gotten this specific guy or whatever. It was just a mistake to invest so heavily in a PG and especially a PG that did not mix with Mitchell in the playoffs.
 
I'm not sure Mike trade was that good. We obviously short of one good PG and one good wing to become a contender. Not easy to get. But i'm happy for Mike he play for a good team with a real chance to win this year.
 
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