Probably is. 2011 (Kawhi, Kyrie, Klay, Butler) and 2009 (Steph, Harden, Blake, Jrue, DeRozan) were supposed to be terrible drafts and they ended up being better than average.
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Portland is living the dream, they actually get to have their cake and eat it too (though the cake is injured now)
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Here in Puerto Rico LeBron James apparently showed up for the Bad Bunny concert. My niece went, I don’t know if she saw LeBron personally.
Curious if anyone has thoughts on Jaden Ivey? I'm thinking he is a player with decent potential to be moved between now and the deadline. He had a decent start to the season before he got injured, but I think it's notable that the Pistons did not get worse. He had major fans predraft around here, but his value to winning is questionable and his analytics are awful particularly on defense.
Scoring guards who don't defend have become the running backs of the NBA, they just don't have any value.
I like Ivey, but I wouldn't give up any real assets to get him and there is no reason for Detroit to move a guy on a rookie contract without getting any value back.
Thats not true at all. if you are undersized then it's true.
I'm seeing him tossed out as part of that logical salary match for Lauri (Tobias + Ivey), but I'd honestly put him at zero/neutral value in that kind of a deal. If you can trade Nurkic for Sexton I don't see a strong case for Ivey's value. I think there's still some perception of him that he's a defender because he's an athlete....but he is very bad and I'm not sure those habits can be fixed at this point.
These numbers are not good:
If an undersized guy can defend and do other stuff besides score, I think they would be valued. Defending/doing other stuff is hard when you are small though, so they are definitely correlated.