David Hume
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Curious if anyone has thoughts on Jaden Ivey? I'm thinking he is a player with decent potential to be moved between now and the deadline. He had a decent start to the season before he got injured, but I think it's notable that the Pistons did not get worse. He had major fans predraft around here, but his value to winning is questionable and his analytics are awful particularly on defense.
Scoring guards who don't defend have become the running backs of the NBA, they just don't have any value.
I like Ivey, but I wouldn't give up any real assets to get him and there is no reason for Detroit to move a guy on a rookie contract without getting any value back.
Thats not true at all. if you are undersized then it's true.
I'm seeing him tossed out as part of that logical salary match for Lauri (Tobias + Ivey), but I'd honestly put him at zero/neutral value in that kind of a deal. If you can trade Nurkic for Sexton I don't see a strong case for Ivey's value. I think there's still some perception of him that he's a defender because he's an athlete....but he is very bad and I'm not sure those habits can be fixed at this point.
These numbers are not good:
If an undersized guy can defend and do other stuff besides score, I think they would be valued. Defending/doing other stuff is hard when you are small though, so they are definitely correlated.
The other part of my statement that isn't exactly true is that I didn't say anything about contract size. Obviously a guy on a rookie contract is much more valuable than a guy on a contract above the MLE.
RFA's are getting destroyed right now because there is no cap space, but I think that changes next season. Rookie extensions can be a contention point and there's potential for a player to be moved before the season or at deadline if something doesn't get done and obviously there is some potential for them to leave/be moved the following year in RFA. Here is the 2022 draft class that is up for extensions.
