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I think many people think alcohol tastes like crap and is unhealthy.

I find it strange that drinkers often see a problem with people who don’t drink.
 
I think many people think alcohol tastes like crap and is unhealthy.

I find it strange that drinkers often see a problem with people who don’t drink.

Well they're no fun down the pub. Plus if you're going out with a bird that don't drink you either have not drink yourself or watch her watch you drinking glass after glass of plonk. Its awkward.
 
I think part of the problem is viewing alcohol as black and white, good and evil. If the faulty assumption is that LDS doctrine believes alcohol and coffee itself to be inherently evil substances, then I see why one would be resistant to the idea of Jesus consuming something “evil.” However, alcohol itself isn’t inherently “evil” any more than pork is “evil.” However, restrictions for both have been associated with a covenant at different times.
 
I thought Colton said something to that effect once.

But without refrigeration or sanitation grapejuice would become wine eventually. The powdery white stuff on the skin of grapes is yeast.

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I may have said that some Mormons think that. I've definitely run across some that do. But it's not something the church as a whole believes. I don't believe it myself, although it does seem likely that the wine that was referred to did not have the same alcohol content as wines today do.

But anyway, I thought loggrad's answer was quite good. And keep in mind that we believe it was Jesus himself who gave the commandment.

Also, we don't necessarily believe that other people drinking alcohol are sinning. They haven't made the same covenant we have. But I agree with you about getting drunk being wrong (sinful), regardless.
 
Do Mormons have a different bible canon? Does it have different books in it?

I don't believe the story's about Lot and Jesus drinking are legitimate, they were probably added in by scribes. Jeremaiah 5:5?

I think avoiding alcohol is the smartest choice imo...i don't see any benefits in it
 
As far as alcohol is concerned, many cultures have various forms of fermented alcoholic beverages. Fermented alcoholic beverages have never lead to major alcohol issues within a society, very rarely leads to alcoholism. Distilled spirits are generally where problems arise. I think when talking about alcohol and the problems it causes it is important to make the distinction between low alcohol content fermented beverages and high alcohol content liquor.
 
Do Mormons have a different bible canon? Does it have different books in it?

We use the standard protestant Bible, i.e. King James Version, but with some additional volumes of non biblical scripture as well. The additional scripture includes The Book of Mormon, which we believe is ancient scripture like the Bible, but given to a group of Israelites who left Israel and migrated to the Americas. It was translated from the ancient record through miraculous means by Joseph Smith and published in 1829. The other additional writings we accept as scripture are in the books The Doctrine and Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price, which for the most part are collections of revelations from God given to Joseph Smith, whom we accept as a modern day prophet and apostle. The commandment against alcohol comes from a revelation to Joseph Smith in 1833 recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants. At first it was more of a general guideline but then later (1860ish iirc) was changed by Brigham Young to be a stricter prohibition.
 
Do Mormons have a different bible canon? Does it have different books in it?

I don't believe the story's about Lot and Jesus drinking are legitimate, they were probably added in by scribes. Jeremaiah 5:5?

I think avoiding alcohol is the smartest choice imo...i don't see any benefits in it

thats cause you're thick. Until about 150 years ago drinking alcohol was the safest thing to do. For most of the miserable souls in this world a light mead would be better for them than the water they drink.
 
As far as alcohol is concerned, many cultures have various forms of fermented alcoholic beverages. Fermented alcoholic beverages have never lead to major alcohol issues within a society, very rarely leads to alcoholism. Distilled spirits are generally where problems arise. I think when talking about alcohol and the problems it causes it is important to make the distinction between low alcohol content fermented beverages and high alcohol content liquor.

There definitely is a difference.

I have never viewed the LDS Church Word of Wisdom approach to alcohol, coffee, and tea in the light of "those things are inherently bad".

I have viewed it in a two-fold way. First, our prophet has asked us to avoid those things, so a line was drawn in the sand. If we covenant to avoid them because we have faith that the prophet actually converses with Jesus, and that is His will, then that is the first and most important thing. Secondly, I view these items, and plenty of others not listed as not good for us in the fact that they can cause addiction if used improperly or with moderation and that they reduce or affect our reasoning, decision making, and ability to feel God's Spirit. There are as many tolerances to these substances as there are people, and we won't really know until we try it. I view it as avoiding the whole situation by avoiding the possibility that we will be so affected by one or all of these addictive types of substances. This is also why many LDS people use the story of how close can you drive a wagon to the edge of the cliff, with the punch line of "I don't care how good and skilled you are and how close you can get to it, it's best to be as far from the cliff as possible with that wagon."

I seem to remember something said to Joseph Smith on the alcohol about "conspiring men in the last days", or some such thing. I'm too lazy to look it up, but there are and have been plenty of people/companies that create products that are addictive for the main reason that it creates return customers and increases their earnings. If you're in it for only the money, why not create a desirable product that creates such an addiction that people not only want to come back for more, but "have" to.

/2cents
 
There definitely is a difference.

I have never viewed the LDS Church Word of Wisdom approach to alcohol, coffee, and tea in the light of "those things are inherently bad".

I have viewed it in a two-fold way. First, our prophet has asked us to avoid those things, so a line was drawn in the sand. If we covenant to avoid them because we have faith that the prophet actually converses with Jesus, and that is His will, then that is the first and most important thing. Secondly, I view these items, and plenty of others not listed as not good for us in the fact that they can cause addiction if used improperly or with moderation and that they reduce or affect our reasoning, decision making, and ability to feel God's Spirit. There are as many tolerances to these substances as there are people, and we won't really know until we try it. I view it as avoiding the whole situation by avoiding the possibility that we will be so affected by one or all of these addictive types of substances. This is also why many LDS people use the story of how close can you drive a wagon to the edge of the cliff, with the punch line of "I don't care how good and skilled you are and how close you can get to it, it's best to be as far from the cliff as possible with that wagon."

I seem to remember something said to Joseph Smith on the alcohol about "conspiring men in the last days", or some such thing. I'm too lazy to look it up, but there are and have been plenty of people/companies that create products that are addictive for the main reason that it creates return customers and increases their earnings. If you're in it for only the money, why not create a desirable product that creates such an addiction that people not only want to come back for more, but "have" to.

/2cents

The power of addiction is real. A desire for an uninterrupted supply of beer lead to the establishment of human civilization, as the nomadic lifestyle led to long periods with no beer, so permanent settlements were required with the primary purpose of growing barley and using it to produce beer. It has been firmly established that beer production predates bread production by a significant margin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/how-beer-gave-us-civilization.html

https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1...q8LNLnvg8C-ITitcPg1_5sOUfp3hc_JLk3a9ET1KEI8g=
 
The power of addiction is real. A desire for an uninterrupted supply of beer lead to the establishment of human civilization, as the nomadic lifestyle led to long periods with no beer, so permanent settlements were required with the primary purpose of growing barley and using it to produce beer. It has been firmly established that beer production predates bread production by a significant margin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/how-beer-gave-us-civilization.html

https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1...q8LNLnvg8C-ITitcPg1_5sOUfp3hc_JLk3a9ET1KEI8g=

I'm not disagreeing with you. It doesn't interest me to research it in great detail, as I know it does you.

In general I agree with the difference between the fermentation and distillation. The first article you sent stated that distillation started around 2000 years ago, so around the time of Christ give or take.

It's possible that it is the distillation of alcohol that is the difference maker between views on it in that time, and now after it has been more widely established.

That's just off the top of my head.

/shrug
 
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