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Conned: Road to Trump impeachment may have begun with Giuliani getting played by Ukrainian prosecutor:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...uliani-getting-played-by-ukrainian-prosecutor

"President Trump faces impeachment because personal attorney Rudy Giuliani was manipulated by a disreputable official who hoped to avoid being fired by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, according to regional analysts and anti-corruption activists.

“Consider the notion that Rudy Giuliani, who is no fool, was conned,” a U.S.-based Central European policy specialist who is active in Ukrainian issues told the Washington Examiner.

A consensus has been forming for months, in both Ukraine and in the U.S. government, that Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko, who earned the distrust of local anti-corruption activists during his three years in office, lured President Trump's personal lawyer into a rash pursuit of dirt on Democrats that could ultimately bring the American president down.

Lutsenko, 54, convinced Giuliani that he had evidence of corruption involving former Vice President Joe Biden. But his back channel meetings are widely perceived as an attempt to forge the kind of political alliance with Trump that would make it difficult for Zelensky to oust him....

....“The president has done things ... based on his obvious presumption that there is something to be found about Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton in Ukraine,” said the Central European specialist. “What if there's no there there? It means, then, that Giuliani may have drawn Trump into a situation which is, politically, extraordinarily damaging — for no purpose.”
 
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John Solomon reports that there were three active investigations into Burisma in Ukraine, and that only one of them was dormant at the time the prosecutor was fired (March 2016). The latter two investigations were not closed until January of 2017. One of those investigations was for corruption at Burisma. Solomon says ABC News and NY Times corroborated the story.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General's office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017.

After I first reported it in a column, the New York Times and ABC News published similar stories confirming my reporting.

(ABC News story -- https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/...s-foreign-business-dealings-promises-63820806)

Joe Biden has since responded that he forced Shokin’s firing over concerns about corruption and ineptitude, which he claims were widely shared by Western allies, and that it had nothing to do with the Burisma investigation.

Some of the new documents I obtained call that claim into question.

In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin testified.

“On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation,” Shokin added.

Shokin certainly would have reason to hold a grudge over his firing. But his account is supported by documents from Burisma’s legal team in America, which appeared to be moving into Ukraine with intensity as Biden’s effort to fire Shokin picked up steam.
 
Catchall said:
A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met.
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John Solomon has no credibility. It's amazing how often you keep going back to that well.

Far from being a technicality, Shokin was stonewalling the UKs request for documents, this wasn't just an accidental missed deadline, he was running interference on Burisma's behalf.
 
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John Solomon has no credibility. It's amazing how often you keep going back to that well.

Far from being a technicality, Shokin was stonewalling the UKs request for documents, this wasn't just an accidental missed deadline, he was running interference on Burisma's behalf.
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The story here is that there were still two other active investigations into Burisma when Biden blackmailed Ukraine's government to fire the prosecutor. This contradicts the story that Biden and the liberals have been saying.

As for John Solomon, he is an award-winning journalist, and he's reporting based on evidence from multiple sources in Ukraine and the U.S. He's not a pundit. His reporting was also referenced by NY Times and ABC News.

Your credibility on the other hand...
 
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Catchall said:
The story here is that there were still two other active investigations into Burisma when Biden blackmailed Ukraine's government to fire the prosecutor. This contradicts the story that Biden and the liberals have been saying.

As for John Solomon, he is an award-winning journalist, and he's reporting based on evidence from multiple sources in Ukraine and the U.S. He's not a pundit. His reporting was also referenced by NY Times and ABC News.
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It really doesn't. If you've read any of the in depth articles laying out the facts of this it's made abundantly clear there was a UK investigation into Burisma, that Shokin was going out of his way not to cooperate with.

The issue was never that there were no investigations into Burisma, but that the Ukrainian prosecutors weren't actively working on them, or assisting on those being done by other governments law enforcement agencies.

John Solomon is spinning a yarn here trying to recast old facts as new information to argue a point no one is making.
 
Catchall said:
The story here is that there were still two other active investigations into Burisma when Biden blackmailed Ukraine's government to fire the prosecutor. This contradicts the story that Biden and the liberals have been saying.

As for John Solomon, he is an award-winning journalist, and he's reporting based on evidence from multiple sources in Ukraine and the U.S. He's not a pundit. His reporting was also referenced by NY Times and ABC News.

Your credibility on the other hand...
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Biden being guilty does not equal Trump is innocent...

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Zombie said:
I think they know this deep down, but when you can't defend the indefensible the only remaining strategy is to change the subject.
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The the prosecutor who was fired and Burisma's U.S. legal team seem to contradict the popular story in the press. In any case, the DOJ is investigating Ukraine and President Trump has every reason to raise the issue with Ukraine, as he did with UK, Australia and Italy.

You ought to actually read Solomon's article rather than dismiss him as a shill.

Zombie said:
BTW @Catchall, you never answered my question about that Federalist article you shared.
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What was your question about the Federalist article? That was the one saying that the requirements for matters of "urgent concern" were changed right before the whistleblower complaint was filed, removing the requirement for first-hand knowledge.
 
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