The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

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  1. The Thriller

    The Thriller Well-Known Member

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    Actual historians, so you don’t have to rely on “Joe Bag o Nuts” nonsense:









    some good reading:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/us/politics/impeachment-historians.html
     
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  2. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't aware of the part where the GAO said anything about the motivations of any of the presidents regarding the laws that they claim they have broken. Also I am not agreeing with the GAO that either Obama or Trump broke the law. I am commenting on the nature of GAO reports and how they have been handled in the past. You are welcome to hang your hat on the GAO statement regarding Trump. It's my opinion that you are ultimately going to be disappointed by the strength of this "evidence."
     
  3. The Thriller

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    he makes them feel important. He validates their hatreds and prejudices. Trumpers aren’t concerned about actually accomplishing anything. They just get off triggering others. People like @Joe Bagadonuts and @Heathme arent actually convincing anyone of anything. Hell, they’re not even attempting to defend their boy. But if they can trigger others? It gets them off and makes them feel important.

    it’s one big troll job
     
  4. Joe Bagadonuts

    Joe Bagadonuts Well-Known Member

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    When the evidence you point to looks so familiar (because similar things have come up in the past) we're not allowed to notice and compare?
    Incorrect.
     
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    Zombie Well-Known Member

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    Just so we're clear on how ludicrous Dershowitz's position is.
     
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  6. silesian

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    ive already heard confessions from trump and his chief of staff so rest assured I am not disappointed. The trump lemmings will of course vote to acquit and their reputations will follow him off the cliff.
     
  7. silesian

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    I have no clue what you are saying here.
     
  8. Red

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    Hamilton sounds prescient here:

    "According to preeminent Hamilton biographer Ron Chernow, Hamilton was trying to protect the country from someone with demagogic tendencies. "From the outset, Hamilton feared an unholy trinity of traits in a future president — ambition, avarice and vanity," Chernow wrote last month in The Washington Post.

    He points to one of Hamilton's writings in 1792 where the Treasury secretary warns about someone who might exhibit those inclinations, and Chernow argues that it sounds a lot like the current occupant of the Oval Office:

    "When a man unprincipled in private life[,] desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper . . . despotic in his ordinary demeanour — known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty — when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity — to join in the cry of danger to liberty — to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion — to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day — It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may 'ride the storm and direct the whirlwind."

    https://www.npr.org/2019/11/18/7799...ns-what-the-founders-feared-about-impeachment
     
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  9. Red

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    I do believe some Trump supporters conflate bullying and strength. Trump certainly talks like a bully. My problem with this persona is I do equate it with weakness and insecurity. I think we should take very seriously the degree of insecurity the man displays. I should think we would be concerned with what we see, given that we handed him the highest office in our government. Doesn't everybody notice this by now, this man who seems to worry only about what others think of him? That's human, but he takes it to an unhealthy degree. He cannot hide his deep insecurities. Don't have to be an armchair psychologist to see that. It's a signature characteristic of Donald Trump.

    But I think perhaps his bullying persona, his tough guy persona, is seen as strength by some of his supporters, perhaps in proportion to who is being verbally slammed by Trump. Trump supporters should understand this tough guy bully is just an act. It's the quite transparent insecurity that reveals the truth behind that act. It's so transparent. How can you ignore that degree of insecurity, given his position?

    I've never known a bully exterior that was not masking a coward at heart.

    Further, the alternative reality Trump and his allies in the media have created is truly diabolical, with its elements of the press as the enemy, the news as Lie, the Deep State aligned against the people. They have driven it home until it is believed in by millions. And that's what's diabolical about it. To deliberately foster belief in a lie, that likely has the staying power to continue to manipulate the minds and actions of a considerable portion of the electorate for a long time. Trump may be the star of this fiction now, it's his cocoon, his weaponized alternative history, but it can be utilized by other power mongers, other demagogues. Or simply exist as a huge psychological cesspool conditioning beliefs that generate hate and division for generations more. We will have Trump, Barr, Giuliani, Nunes, Hannity and Co, for helping create this sickness.

    Even without conspiracy tween Trump and Putin, could Putin have possibly asked for more than this? Seems to me it may even be the seed of our demise as a nation. I don't know how one deprograms a cult, when the cult is this huge. Trumpsters have been hoodwinked, how do you help them realize this? It will have to start with Trumpsters being honest with themselves.

    And you know what? Realizing all this about Trump does not require anything called Trump Derangement Syndrome. It simply requires knowing right from wrong, inner strength from massive insecurity, a good heart from cruelty.

    I honestly believe the true TDS is the Trump cult itself.
     
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  10. The Thriller

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    Their defense is to basically summarize Trump’s tweets in lawyerspeak

     
  11. The Thriller

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    Whoa. What the???

     
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  13. Joe Bagadonuts

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    In that particular case it was saying that when the GAO said that Trump committed a crime it seems reasonable to look to the past to see the reaction when the GAO said that Obama had committed a crime. Turns out that under the past administration acts designated as crimes by the GAO don't matter to the left or the media at all. Why should they matter now? Similar scenarios keep playing out. While most people on the right don't like the rules that the left has successfully written, they are not willing to play by rules that are harsher/stricter than the those imposed on their opponents.

    I hope Trump never uses bleach bit to delete 30K of subpoenaed emails, but if he does the left is going to deserve all the explanations of why such an act does not matter that are bound to rain down upon them.
     
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  15. The Thriller

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    Trumpers still throwing this debunked conspiracy around? Why not recycle some Vince Foster or Seth rich stuff while you’re at it? I could maybe understand being this ignorant for a short period of time because all you do is consume right wing media. But it’s been years since the FBI investigated this and came to the conclusion that the server company did this without Clinton’s knowledge and without criminal intent. And before you call the FBI a bunch of liberal Clinton lovers, remember, Comey was a registered Republican and did Clinton zero favors in 2016.

    Facts
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    Why are Trumpers so stupid? Or does Trumpism make people stupid?
     
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  16. silesian

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    you are making progress by equating Trump’s crimes to those of criminal Democrats, so good for you.

    We agree that trump is a criminal
     
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  18. The Thriller

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    I always thought you needed to be a racist or a pedophile to work for Trump. Alan being both makes him the perfect fit for Trump's team!
     
  19. Red

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    Meanwhile, here is an analysis of the humanitarian and environmental disaster known as Trump's border wall:

    http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176651/tomgram:_william_debuys,_creating_steelhenge_on_the_border/

    A new Wild West has taken root not far from Tombstone, Arizona, known to many for its faux-historical reenactments of the old West. We’re talking about a long, skinny territory -- a geographic gerrymander -- that stretches east across New Mexico and down the Texan Rio Grande to the Gulf of Mexico. It also runs west across hundreds of miles of desert to California and the Pacific Ocean. Like the old Wild West, this one is lawless, save for the law of the gun. But that old West was lawless for want of government. This one is lawless because of it.

    The Department of Homeland Security, under authority conferred by Congress, has declared more than 50 federal laws inoperable along sections of the U.S. boundary with Mexico, the better to build the border wall that Donald Trump has promised his “base.” Innumerable state laws and local ordinances have also been swept aside. Predictably, the Endangered Species Act is among the fallen. So are the National Historic Preservation Act, the Wilderness Act, laws restricting air and water pollution, and measures protecting wildlife, landscapes, Native American sacred sites, and even caves and fossils.
     
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  20. silesian

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    Ten years from now everyone will be “who voted for that clown?!? Certainly not me.”

    people distanced themselves after Nixon resigned, and he was actually a competent crook surrounded by people who were not keystone cops.

    Folks from the Nixon era survived with their reputations mostly intact. With today’s technology and as facts emerge, more and more of trump’s associates will be disgraced, in jail, or both.

    guys, the sooner you jump from the sinking ship the better the chances of not being branded a forever loser.
     
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