The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

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  1. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Actually....... Mr Trump’s campaign promised that Mexico would pay for the wall, but thus far the almost $10bn (£7.7bn) budget has come from taxpayer money.

    So your life does change by way of you paying for the wall via taxes. Unless of course you don't pay taxes.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/smugglers-helping-migrants-scale-trump-122108689.html

    The other thing about that article that is interesting is: The rebar ladders began appearing in large numbers once construction of a replacement wall in El Paso was finished last May. According to Border Patrol, illegal crossings have increased ever since.

    So according to that article, not only is the wall not stopping or deterring illegal immigration but illegal immigration has actually increased since the wall has been built.

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  2. gandalfe

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    Yeah, reporting stuff to Congress. That'll work...
     
  3. Jazzta

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    Arguably Trump’s most stupid idea. To put up a physical wall across the border with Mexico lol

    Trump, you suck!
     
  4. Red

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    Full statement, updated with new signatories daily:



    We, the undersigned, are alumni of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) who have collectively served both Republican and Democratic administrations. Each of us strongly condemns President Trump’s and Attorney General Barr’s interference in the fair administration of justice.

    As former DOJ officials, we each proudly took an oath to support and defend our Constitution and faithfully execute the duties of our offices. The very first of these duties is to apply the law equally to all Americans. This obligation flows directly from the Constitution, and it is embedded in countless rules and laws governing the conduct of DOJ lawyers. The Justice Manual — the DOJ’s rulebook for its lawyers — states that “the rule of law depends on the evenhanded administration of justice”; that the Department’s legal decisions “must be impartial and insulated from political influence”; and that the Department’s prosecutorial powers, in particular, must be “exercised free from partisan consideration.”

    All DOJ lawyers are well-versed in these rules, regulations, and constitutional commands. They stand for the proposition that political interference in the conduct of a criminal prosecution is anathema to the Department’s core mission and to its sacred obligation to ensure equal justice under the law.

    And yet, President Trump and Attorney General Barr have openly and repeatedly flouted this fundamental principle, most recently in connection with the sentencing of President Trump’s close associate, Roger Stone, who was convicted of serious crimes. The Department has a long-standing practice in which political appointees set broad policies that line prosecutors apply to individual cases. That practice exists to animate the constitutional principles regarding the even-handed application of the law. Although there are times when political leadership appropriately weighs in on individual prosecutions, it is unheard of for the Department’s top leaders to overrule line prosecutors, who are following established policies, in order to give preferential treatment to a close associate of the President, as Attorney General Barr did in the Stone case. It is even more outrageous for the Attorney General to intervene as he did here — after the President publicly condemned the sentencing recommendation that line prosecutors had already filed in court.

    Such behavior is a grave threat to the fair administration of justice. In this nation, we are all equal before the law. A person should not be given special treatment in a criminal prosecution because they are a close political ally of the President. Governments that use the enormous power of law enforcement to punish their enemies and reward their allies are not constitutional republics; they are autocracies.

    We welcome Attorney General Barr’s belated acknowledgment that the DOJ’s law enforcement decisions must be independent of politics; that it is wrong for the President to interfere in specific enforcement matters, either to punish his opponents or to help his friends; and that the President’s public comments on DOJ matters have gravely damaged the Department’s credibility. But Mr. Barr’s actions in doing the President’s personal bidding unfortunately speak louder than his words. Those actions, and the damage they have done to the Department of Justice’s reputation for integrity and the rule of law, require Mr. Barr to resign. But because we have little expectation he will do so, it falls to the Department’s career officials to take appropriate action to uphold their oaths of office and defend nonpartisan, apolitical justice.

    For these reasons, we support and commend the four career prosecutors who upheld their oaths and stood up for the Department’s independence by withdrawing from the Stone case and/or resigning from the Department. Our simple message to them is that we — and millions of other Americans — stand with them. And we call on every DOJ employee to follow their heroic example and be prepared to report future abuses to the Inspector General, the Office of Professional Responsibility, and Congress; to refuse to carry out directives that are inconsistent with their oaths of office; to withdraw from cases that involve such directives or other misconduct; and, if necessary, to resign and report publicly — in a manner consistent with professional ethics — to the American people the reasons for their resignation. We likewise call on the other branches of government to protect from retaliation those employees who uphold their oaths in the face of unlawful directives. The rule of law and the survival of our Republic demand nothing less.

    If you are a former DOJ employee and would like to add your name below, Protect Democracy will update this list daily with new signatories.
     
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  5. silesian

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    The idea that the AG is historically apolitical and nonpartisan is quaint but untrue. Plenty of democratic AGs were in the president's camp. Bobby Kennedy, Holder, Janet Reno, others.

    Barr and Trump just do this in the open and take the idea to an extreme.
     
  6. The Thriller

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    The issue that worries people isn’t bias. Everyone recognizes that no one is truly unbiased. The issue is how Barr is trampling the law in order to protect Trump. Using the DOJ to be Trump’s own enforcer agency is something the country has never seen before in an AG.

    The AGs you listed never used the entire DOJ to investigate political rivals or thwart law enforcement like Barr is doing. He’s creating a means to destroy our democracy and create a dictator.
     
  7. The Thriller

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    This seems notable:

     
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  8. Jazzta

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    Trump is the biggest scam artist and it’s a shame that so many people believe that he’s putting American interests first. It will be a tough pill to swallow if he wins again.

    Fake news he keeps claiming. What about the fake patriotism that he’s based his presidency on. I went from giving him a shot to actually despising the guy.
     
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  9. silesian

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    nah. Happens all the time. Reno swept the 1996 China DNC contributions issue under the rug. Was a much bigger deal than lewinski.
     
  10. silesian

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    Nixon’s AG Mitchell covered up watergate, jailed for conspiracy and obstruction of justice. His wife Martha exposed the scandal.
     
  11. silesian

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    Author James W. Hilty concludes that RFK "played an unusual combination of roles—campaign director, attorney general, executive overseer, controller of patronage, chief adviser, and brother protector" and that nobody before him had had such power.
     
  12. The Thriller

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    The same Mitchell that was sent to prison for obstruction of justice? Doesn’t that actually defeat your point that Mitchell had bent the DOJ to his will?
     
  13. The Thriller

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    I’m sorry, but what unethical or illegal activity are you accusing RFK of committing?

    Are you saying that family members, friends, and donors shouldn’t serve in one’s cabinet? Sweet! Where can I sign this bill? I’m bigly supportive of campaign and administrative reform. Nepotism has no place in the appointment of cabinet positions or ambassadorships.
     
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  14. The Thriller

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    “Happens all the time” and refers back 24 years to an obscure case where Clinton was accused of using his White House telephone to help fund raise for Gore... what’s your definition of “all the time?”

    And why do you think that’s worse than Clinton committing perjury?
     
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  15. Red

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    Bill Taylor, ex American Ambassador to Ukraine, was interviewed on 60 Minutes last night.
    He indicated that nobody at the State Department believed Trump's "Ukraine interfered in 2016, not Russia" nonsense. One might think that fact would count for something, but I expect it counts for nada to the Cult of Trump. The 60 Minute interview:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...rver-conspiracy-theory-60-minutes-2020-02-16/
     
  16. silesian

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    Where did I say that?
     
  17. silesian

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    My point is what I said, that the AG role has not historically been apolitical. They are taking care of the prez.
     
  18. silesian

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    I gave you 3 examples, not all of them.
     
  19. silesian

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    lying about sex is not as bad as Chinese funding the DNC
     
  20. silesian

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    How did you jump from “political and partisan” to unethical and illegal?

    I’m not going to argue about stuff I never said.
     
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