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LogGrad98

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It was an imperfect solution that was passed with a necessary haste. That said, it might have been totally adequate if Americans had been able to properly quarantine, wear masks, socially distance themselves, and then work within a government system of contact tracing. In other words, it might have been enough to be much more safely open RIGHT NOW into some kind of “90% version of our economy”. But we were too bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized to pull that off, so more relief is necessary. Not “necessary” in the sense that it’ll hurt people lil feelings and sense of entitlement, but necessary in the sense that without it, the economy risks being so damaged that it is unable to reboot to its former size, productivity, and growth.

But our government is also bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized. And so now that the time for another—hopefully less hasty and more precisely distributed—relief package is PAST DUE, we are stuck in a partisan squabble that will cause destruction of the economy and increased opportunities for the virus to spread. We’re so great.
Well said. Spot on.
 

The Thriller

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But sure, let’s argue about how $600 unemployment benefits during a pandemic is the real rip off.

imagine what’ll Happen under Biden. We’ll probably become like socialist or something and your tax dollars will be mishandled to enrich others.
 

NAOS

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It was an imperfect solution that was passed with a necessary haste. That said, it might have been totally adequate if Americans had been able to properly quarantine, wear masks, socially distance themselves, and then work within a government system of contact tracing. In other words, it might have been enough in order to be safely open, RIGHT NOW, into something like a “90% version of our economy”. But we were too bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized to pull that off—so more relief is necessary. Not “necessary” in the sense that it’ll hurt peoples’ lil feelings and sense of entitlement if it isn’t passed and delivered, but necessary in the sense that, without it, the economy risks being so damaged that it will be unable to reboot to somewhere near its former size, productivity, and growth.

But our government is also bratty, undisciplined, and ridiculously politicized. And so now that the time for another—hopefully less hasty and more precisely distributed—relief package is PAST DUE, we are stuck in a partisan squabble that will cause destruction of the economy and increase opportunities for the virus to spread. We’re so great.
As I’ve thought more about this post, I’ve realized I’ve left off a few pretty important facets of the USA response to this pandemic. First, I hope that history recognizes the scene here was poorly positioned to deal with this problem because of the ramifications of our unethical distribution of wealth. There were simply too many people who were unable to shelter-in-place. Even if we imagine a scenario where government aid was much more efficiently distributed (by an institution other than the defunded and flagging IRS) and targeted to the right spots, the two or three weeks it would take to prop up the poorest masses here would have cost us a lot of valuable time when it came to containing the virus. This has nothing to do with these folks’ brattiness, lack of discipline, or political views per se.

The next thing I have to say is related to this, but still independent in enough to merit its own discussion. Within that sector of our society that is near or in poverty, and who get by on trades or forms of manual labor, there is a long-standing culture of bravado and a stoic version of common sense which had a difficult time stepping back and taking stock of the risks. I saw a lot of this in Los Angeles. I think there is a celebration of plowing ahead, and, once again, proving some kind of strength. There was some kind flaunting happening. I think this is best explained by how Capital has coded a masculinity which is actual nothing more than a pliable labor force that will come to heel; and they need to be held on the margins to remain so.

The next thing I’ll mention here is the preponderance of obesity, diabetes, and pre-diabetic conditions here in the USA. The recent research on how these particular underlying conditions make Covid patients much more vulnerable to severe expressions of illness and death is staggering. If these people can be kept inside, then let’s hope they get the help to do so.
 

Joe Bagadonuts

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I agree it's fair. The Democrats bill is also fair.
People staying home and getting paid hasn't hurt me at all. In fact they probably have more money to spend and so it probably actually helps my company have more volume/production.

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Aside from the comedy of suggesting that all the people getting welfare are spending their money on extra yogurt, where do you think that the money they are giving away comes from?
 

fishonjazz

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Aside from the comedy of suggesting that all the people getting welfare are spending their money on extra yogurt, where do you think that the money they are giving away comes from?
You think I said all the people are spending their money on extra yogurt. Ok. Agree to disagree.
What I was actually saying is that the yogurt my company makes is more expensive than other yogurt and yogurt in general isn't a necessity. So I do believe that someone who was buying our yogurt might not buy it anymore or buy less of it if they have less money. I think that when you have less money you change the way you spend that money. In a lot of ways. So that extra money they were getting probably helps lots of businesses, not just mine. But it's ok if you disagree.
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NAOS

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You think I said all the people are spending their money on extra yogurt. Ok. Agree to disagree.
What I was actually saying is that the yogurt my company makes is more expensive than other yogurt and yogurt in general isn't a necessity. So I do believe that someone who was buying our yogurt might not buy it anymore or buy less of it if they have less money. I think that when you have less money you change the way you spend that money. In a lot of ways. So that extra money they were getting probably helps lots of businesses, not just mine. But it's ok if you disagree.
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You’re absolutely on to something. Don’t let these neocons convince you otherwise. This injection of cash was explicitly about keeping the economy at its previous size and ready to reboot once the pandemic was under good management.

The best position on all of this was, unfortunately, the cynical one: the USA was never going to get the pandemic under good management... so the initial 3 trillion dollars was inevitably going to build a bridge to nowhere. The cynic continues by predicting that, months later, we’d definitely find ourselves with a raging outbreak, AND this bridge to nowhere, AND squabbling over the mess long enough to damage/shrink the economy. The worst of all possible outcomes.

And yet somehow the stock market is steadily rebounding....... doubling the cynicisms of the cynic.
 

LogGrad98

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You think I said all the people are spending their money on extra yogurt. Ok. Agree to disagree.
What I was actually saying is that the yogurt my company makes is more expensive than other yogurt and yogurt in general isn't a necessity. So I do believe that someone who was buying our yogurt might not buy it anymore or buy less of it if they have less money. I think that when you have less money you change the way you spend that money. In a lot of ways. So that extra money they were getting probably helps lots of businesses, not just mine. But it's ok if you disagree.
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I'm spending my money on extra yogurt.
 

Joe Bagadonuts

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You think I said all the people are spending their money on extra yogurt. Ok. Agree to disagree.
What I was actually saying is that the yogurt my company makes is more expensive than other yogurt and yogurt in general isn't a necessity. So I do believe that someone who was buying our yogurt might not buy it anymore or buy less of it if they have less money. I think that when you have less money you change the way you spend that money. In a lot of ways. So that extra money they were getting probably helps lots of businesses, not just mine. But it's ok if you disagree.
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Sorry for misinterpreting you. It's still pretty funny, if true, that high-end yogurt sales might be up as the result of people being laid off.
 
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