He had both houses for two years yet accomplished very little. IMPOTUS got his judges, but which president can't get judges through when they control the Senate? If IMPOTUS falls off a log, it is not exactly an accomplishment that is to be admired.
The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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He had both houses for two years yet accomplished very little. IMPOTUS got his judges, but which president can't get judges through when they control the Senate? If IMPOTUS falls off a log, it is not exactly an accomplishment that is to be admired.
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Thing is, if trump is innocent and didn't want to be impeached then he could have easily prevented impeachment. He must have wanted to be impeached.
Otherwise he would have simply handed over all the documents being requested and encouraged the witnesses such as Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo, and John Bolton etc to give their testimony. Then there could be no obstruction charge and those witnesses and documents would prove his innocence, right?
Wonder why he didn't allow those people to testify and didn't turn over the documentation that would have shown he was innocent of the abuse of power charge.
Hmmmmmmm........
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As far as none of the stuff we may have complained about in this thread affecting our lives, I would disagree with that. I'm willing to look at what stresses me, and consider that it affects me both mentally and physically, and then conclude that it is my responsibility to work on that. I mean, I can say "there is no inherent need" for this stress, it's my own fault in how I choose to react at the fact that Trump is president, (and I stand in strong opposition to the policies of his EPA, his policies toward public land use, his policies toward climate change, etc), and I can try to improve the situation in my own life. I can try and understand that I have to work on my end where stress is concerned. Example: my wife defends Trump frequently. Think that's not stressful to me? Lol. Well, but it's taught me that good and decent people defend Trump. My best friend voted Trump. He is still my best friend.
But, let us not overlook the reality that our political discourse at this time in our history is most certainly affecting the lives of many of us:
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...tics-taking-mental-physical-toll-on-americans
But, let us not overlook the reality that our political discourse at this time in our history is most certainly affecting the lives of many of us:
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...tics-taking-mental-physical-toll-on-americans
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The point I was trying to make is that with something as serious as impeaching a President you would think that it would be more of a personal judgement to make, rather than partisan. So the fact that all the Reps voted one way and all the Dems voted the other tells me that there’s little to no personal integrity among probably a good chunk of them all.
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this stinks of both sideserism. So because Republicans denied the facts presented in the impeachment hearings and acted in a partisan manner then Democrats too are acting in a partisan manner so both sides have no personal integrity? That is Nonsense.
The Thriller
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Why? You honestly think Democrats would’ve acted and voted in the same manner republicans did had Obama or Hillary Clinton done the same thing as Trump? Really???
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Dershowitz on Pelosi Withholding a Senate Trial: 'It's Difficult to Imagine Anything More Unconstitutional'
https://pjmedia.com/trending/alan-d...lt-to-imagine-anything-more-unconstitutional/
https://pjmedia.com/trending/alan-d...lt-to-imagine-anything-more-unconstitutional/
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The real impeachment scandal
The Democrats are always guilty of what they accuse Trump of
https://spectator.us/nancy-pelosi-dull-impeachment-spectacle/
"I am so glad that Nancy Pelosi has finally come to her senses and declared — on the floor of the House no less — that impeachment is ‘a hatchet job on the presidency’. Yes, that’s right. The House, said Pelosi, is ‘not judging the president with fairness, but impeaching him with a vengeance’. Nicely phrased! The whole circus, she said, violates ‘fundamental principles that Americans hold dear: privacy, fairness, checks and balances’. Go, Nancy! Not only that, the impeachment process is taking place only because one party is ‘paralyzed with hatred’ of the president, and until they ‘free themselves of this hatred, our country will suffer’. I couldn’t agree more. Indeed, Pelosi was right again that the spectacle of impeachment is ‘about punishment searching for a crime that doesn’t exist’.
SCREECH!! The needle goes scudding across the vinyl disk: wrong impeachment!
That was Nancy Pelosi in 1998 when a Democrat was being impeached, not Pelosi in 2019 when a Republican is in the dock. As recently as last March, Pelosi insisted that impeachment had to be reserved for the most serious sorts of crimes and required bipartisan support, as was the case in history’s two previous impeachments, that of Andrew Johnson in 1868 and that of Bill Clinton in 1998."
The Democrats are always guilty of what they accuse Trump of
https://spectator.us/nancy-pelosi-dull-impeachment-spectacle/
"I am so glad that Nancy Pelosi has finally come to her senses and declared — on the floor of the House no less — that impeachment is ‘a hatchet job on the presidency’. Yes, that’s right. The House, said Pelosi, is ‘not judging the president with fairness, but impeaching him with a vengeance’. Nicely phrased! The whole circus, she said, violates ‘fundamental principles that Americans hold dear: privacy, fairness, checks and balances’. Go, Nancy! Not only that, the impeachment process is taking place only because one party is ‘paralyzed with hatred’ of the president, and until they ‘free themselves of this hatred, our country will suffer’. I couldn’t agree more. Indeed, Pelosi was right again that the spectacle of impeachment is ‘about punishment searching for a crime that doesn’t exist’.
SCREECH!! The needle goes scudding across the vinyl disk: wrong impeachment!
That was Nancy Pelosi in 1998 when a Democrat was being impeached, not Pelosi in 2019 when a Republican is in the dock. As recently as last March, Pelosi insisted that impeachment had to be reserved for the most serious sorts of crimes and required bipartisan support, as was the case in history’s two previous impeachments, that of Andrew Johnson in 1868 and that of Bill Clinton in 1998."
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https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/
AMERICA’S PAPER OF RECORD: Unbiased Washington Post Launches Celebratory Fireworks as Trump Impeached.
But, you say, the Babylon Bee is satire!
AMERICA’S PAPER OF RECORD: Unbiased Washington Post Launches Celebratory Fireworks as Trump Impeached.
But, you say, the Babylon Bee is satire!
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Maybe. Gotta defend your guy/girl.
Partisanship is an issue all around imo. Not just an issue for the GOP
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Well, maybe one thing that's more unconstitutional would be some Republican senators declaring they won't consider any impeachment evidence, when they are constitutionally mandated to swear an oath of impartiality.
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In the 2016 Election, Trump promised to pay off our National Debt in 4 years, but instead, he's doubled our annual deficit from Obama Administration averages.
During the 2016 Election, Trump said he would be too busy to play golf. But his travel records say he's played golf once every 3 1/2 days since taking office. It was just released that Trump has spent $150 Million Tax Payer Dollars just for his golf outings. Not including vacations, summits, etc. The report also showed that Trump charged 3 times the standard room rate for the Secret Service on these golf trips. And where does that tax payer money go? Right into Donald Trumps pocket.
In the 2016 Election, Trump promised a new Healthcare Plan that would have "much better coverage at a tiny fraction of the cost." But he failed.
In the 2016 Election, Trump promised a 30' high concrete wall the full length of our Southern border that Mexico would pay for. But he failed!!
In the 2016 Election, Trump said that he would bring back the Coal Industry, but under his watch 60% of the top coal companies have filed for Bankruptcy.
In the 2016 Election, Trump said he would denuclearize North Korea. But under his watch, he allowed Kim enough time for Kim Jong Un to perfect a submarine launched nuclear weapon, so that they could sit off the US Coast and pound America with nuclear weapons.
In the 2016 Election, Trump promised a huge "Middle Class tax cut. But instead, he borrowed $1.5 Trillion Dollars and took $560 Million Dollars out of Medicare and then gave 83% of that money to corporations, the 1500 wealthiest families in America, Real Estate Developers and the owners of private planes. The only thing the Middle Class gets out of this tax cut is the Bill for $1.5 Trillion Dollars, plus interest and a future cut in their Medicare that they already paid for. And on January 1st they're raising the deduction for Medicare Part B, which will be deducted from Retirees Social Security payment raised the Deductible for Medicare Part A and increased the out of pocket hospital co-pay.
He said that Trade Wars were easy to win, but since he started the Trade War, 40% of farm income is now paid by Government Subsidies which is a form of Socialism and those are mostly going to the large Corporate Farms, some of them Chinese owned, while family farms have seen a 26% growth in Bankruptcies. He's now spent more money on farmers than Obama paid to save the American auto industry and the auto industry paid the tax payers back. Now, he's talking about Government subsidies for the Coal Industry. In addition, his latest deal gives China a win and nothing for the United States.
We've seen Donald Trump get laughed at by the entire United Nations General Assembly, at Helsinki, in London, when they introduced him to the Baby Trump hot air balloon and recently at the NATO Summit. We had Kim Jong Un calling Trump "The Dotard" again this week, as Trump makes America and himself the laughing stock of the world.
The Fact Checkers now have undisputable audio, digital, video and hard copy evidence that Trump has lied to the American People over 14,000 times since he took office.
Our IMPOTUS
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During the 2016 Election, Trump said he would be too busy to play golf. But his travel records say he's played golf once every 3 1/2 days since taking office. It was just released that Trump has spent $150 Million Tax Payer Dollars just for his golf outings. Not including vacations, summits, etc. The report also showed that Trump charged 3 times the standard room rate for the Secret Service on these golf trips. And where does that tax payer money go? Right into Donald Trumps pocket.
In the 2016 Election, Trump promised a new Healthcare Plan that would have "much better coverage at a tiny fraction of the cost." But he failed.
In the 2016 Election, Trump promised a 30' high concrete wall the full length of our Southern border that Mexico would pay for. But he failed!!
In the 2016 Election, Trump said that he would bring back the Coal Industry, but under his watch 60% of the top coal companies have filed for Bankruptcy.
In the 2016 Election, Trump said he would denuclearize North Korea. But under his watch, he allowed Kim enough time for Kim Jong Un to perfect a submarine launched nuclear weapon, so that they could sit off the US Coast and pound America with nuclear weapons.
In the 2016 Election, Trump promised a huge "Middle Class tax cut. But instead, he borrowed $1.5 Trillion Dollars and took $560 Million Dollars out of Medicare and then gave 83% of that money to corporations, the 1500 wealthiest families in America, Real Estate Developers and the owners of private planes. The only thing the Middle Class gets out of this tax cut is the Bill for $1.5 Trillion Dollars, plus interest and a future cut in their Medicare that they already paid for. And on January 1st they're raising the deduction for Medicare Part B, which will be deducted from Retirees Social Security payment raised the Deductible for Medicare Part A and increased the out of pocket hospital co-pay.
He said that Trade Wars were easy to win, but since he started the Trade War, 40% of farm income is now paid by Government Subsidies which is a form of Socialism and those are mostly going to the large Corporate Farms, some of them Chinese owned, while family farms have seen a 26% growth in Bankruptcies. He's now spent more money on farmers than Obama paid to save the American auto industry and the auto industry paid the tax payers back. Now, he's talking about Government subsidies for the Coal Industry. In addition, his latest deal gives China a win and nothing for the United States.
We've seen Donald Trump get laughed at by the entire United Nations General Assembly, at Helsinki, in London, when they introduced him to the Baby Trump hot air balloon and recently at the NATO Summit. We had Kim Jong Un calling Trump "The Dotard" again this week, as Trump makes America and himself the laughing stock of the world.
The Fact Checkers now have undisputable audio, digital, video and hard copy evidence that Trump has lied to the American People over 14,000 times since he took office.
Our IMPOTUS
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Sure. Partisanship always has and always will exist. But I think it’s pretty ignorant to both sides this. Partisanship is not equal. One side has brazenly ignored facts, distorted reality, and attacked patriots at the expense of our national security and democracy in unprecedented ways.
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Have you read this? Thought you might want to. Here are a few highlights:
https://thebulwark.com/why-is-mitch-mcconnell-afraid-of-this-man/
@fishonjazz this is example 124,084,836,823 why I wouldn’t both sides the partisanship here. One political party is actively working to overthrow law and order on this country to protect one man and his criminal scheme with Russia. Until Democrats do what Nunes, Rudy, McConnell, Sessions, and trump have all done, it’s not even comparable. Had Obama or Clinton done any of this, they would’ve been impeached and removed from office.
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Agreed. But if trump was a Democrat and the house was majority Republican and they impeached him on the same grounds with the same evidence and the Senate was majority Democrat then I can't say for certain that it wouldn't go down in a similar manner.
It's where I kind of feel we are as a country.
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I'm not certain Obama would be removed from office if the Democrats controlled the Senate. He would certainly be impeached by the house if it were majority republican though.
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Debt service ratios are at historic lows, debbie downer. Savings rates at highs.
Why do so many men begrudge women for displacing a hard, time consuming and mentally taxing housewife job with an income producing one? Oh no, women are working, we cant control them anymore, two income households that's not how grandpa did it argh cabin boy put her big boy britches on an make that woman git in the kitchin where she belongs!
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Lol.
As if I said it's bad that women who want to work can. You know better.
I read an article just the other day saying that student loan debt, home debt, and credit card debt are way up so we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
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Can anyone guess when women started being allowed outside the house to work? About the same time they burned their bras in protest, and were allowed to wear jeans to school.