The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[One Brow]

If you want to impeach a sitting president, you need to allege and produce evidence of an actual crime.

Not according to Alexander Hamilton.

 

[Red]

This ranting is utter misinformation. If you want to impeach a sitting president, you need to allege and produce evidence of an actual crime. Alleging executive abuse of power over investigating Ukraine corruption is approaching the absurd.

I believe the premise of investigating Ukrainian corruption is simply the fictional cover story of a corrupt president. You've chosen to subscribe to that fiction, perhaps, to some extent, I don't know. The development of this counter-narrative, the Orwellian Big Lie that underlies this administration's entire approach to oversight, is interesting. The gangster-like nature of this administration is not by accident. It's right out there for all of us to see. He might not be the literal head of an organized crime family, but, hey, we're not far off here, lolol. That's what I see when I examine the behavior of the man in the Oval Office. You, and others here, are proof that it's entirely possible not to see this. So be it I guess....

Edit: Coincidently, I had just read this piece earlier today. It's very pertinent to what I'm trying to say here. Trump supporters would benefit in better understanding the danger inherent in all of this.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/01/26/opinion/truth-about-trumps-lies/

 

[cowhide]

Your comment is as biased as you accuse the Republicans of being. Why should Trump have to respond to the constant insinuations and claims of the Dems? The Russian fiasco basically burned up all of their credibility, yet the drama never ends. The phone call transcript was released within days of this issue becoming public. It didn't incriminate so Schiff simply made up an incriminating transcript and read it to the nation. Nice.

The phone call or the full transcript was never released to the public. Trump has to respond to questions because he is the President of the United States.

So you want the Dems to just say Yes, sir every time when Trump tweets lies or goes on TV and brags about how smart he is and makes up lies about Russia not affecting our election when the rest of the government says they did. These are not insinuations and claims. The Dems have actual evidence to back up their claims along with confessions from Mulvaney and Trump himself. All the GOP has provided is conspiracy theories, excuses and deflections. Where are the emails from the president saying he wanted to hold up the aide because he was concerned about corruption. If he was so concern why didn't he go to Congress and address these concerns? How do you explain putting the phone call on a secret server to hide it? How do you explain the newly release tape of Trump saying to get rid of the ambassador for Ukraine because she was in the way of them getting the "favor" Trump wanted? See these are Trump's actual words, not Democrat insinuations. These are important questions about illegal activity by this administration. If Trump is so innocent why has he prevented people from testifying and why has he bragged about holding evidence?

So you say the democrats lack credibility but in reality Trump has no credibility yet you continue to support a guy who has provided zero evidence of his innocence, who has lied over 16,000 times, who has gone on TV and Twitter and admitted many of the things the Democrats are "claiming'. Has stated that the reason why he believes the trial is going well is because they have all the evidence. Lastly, has permitted people with first hand experience to testify and threatened US Senators with having their heads on a pike if they vote for impeachment. Which is similar to how the mafia works. Yet your only defense is the president should not have to answer questions from the mean democrats. Hmm.. now how are you not bias?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Fox News is now going to claim that Bolton is a Clinton loving liberal who’s just bitter and making stuff up.

 

[cowhide]

Not according to Alexander Hamilton.

Republicans didn't feel that way when they were impeaching Bill Clinton.

“if this body [Congress] determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role . . . because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.” Lindsey Graham

https://grassrootsdempolitics.com/index.php/2019/03/13/mcconnell-graham-impeachment-hypocrisy/

 

[fishonjazz]

Republicans didn't feel that way when they were impeaching Bill Clinton.

“if this body [Congress] determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role . . . because impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.” Lindsey Graham

https://grassrootsdempolitics.com/index.php/2019/03/13/mcconnell-graham-impeachment-hypocrisy/

You should @Catchall on that.

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[cowhide]

"It can't happen here". Until it does....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/king-trump-wants-heads-on-pikes-the-gop-cant-wait-to-oblige?ref=scroll

It’s almost—and call me crazy— like the gangster government of Donald Trump, the supine Republicans in his Senate caucus, his eager political fellators in the House, and the degraded claque of Trump-right media ball-washers have decided to go all-in on the new Trump thugocracy now aborning.

And why not? The decision by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to make the Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump an exercise in raw power politics is grinding toward its foregone conclusion.

The creation of a new form of American government, where the executive branch is permanently and utterly above the law, oversight, and accountability is upon us, and the exoneration of Trump in the Senate is the moment that historians will look back on and say, “There. Right then. That was the tipping point.”

The weaponization of the departments of Justice, State, and Treasury into formidable arms of the Trump Organization is nearly complete. Bill Barr isn’t an Attorney General; he’s the Enforcer General of the unitary and puissant executive branch.

And it’s all because Republicans in the Senate don’t have the courage God gave the common rat.

Well said. However, I think that fear of Trump is just part of the issue. The main fear is that if Trump goes so goes the dream of white America returning to the Utopia of the 50s. They will lose the chance to make America the Christian country they claim it to be. Back in 1980 when the Christian coalition aligned itself with the Republican party, it was their mission to make America a theocracy. So they believe Trump is the chosen one to make this happen. That is a main reason why they look the other way and defend Trump despite all the evidence of his corruption. They want to overturn Roe vs Wade, they want to put required pray and Christianity back into schools and they want to limit immigration for black and brown minorities and passing pro-religious laws in order to discriminate against the LBGT community and repeal gay marriage. So yes fear drives them but the fear is about losing their ability to create a Christian theocracy.

Senate Republicans are going to let Trump skate, and permanently realign the balance of power in the process, because they’re too chicken**** to stand up to his tweets, too terrified of a primary by some MAGA nutters, and too dumb to understand they’re ushering in an era that looks like nothing we’ve ever seen in this country.

This is a one-way ticket, a ratchet toward a system that rewards a culture of threats by bullies and thugs like Trump with their desired outcome. It peels back the cowardice and weak-dick posturing of the Senate GOP like little else. They’re willing to ditch it all because they’re scared.

 

[Deleted member 365]

This ranting is utter misinformation. If you want to impeach a sitting president, you need to allege and produce evidence of an actual crime. Alleging executive abuse of power over investigating Ukraine corruption is approaching the absurd.

Let’s see what Donald’s own defense attorney thinks!



Gee, he didn’t think an actual crime needed to be committed in order for a president to be impeached back then. Hmmm ABSURD! Amiright? Time to get off all fours man. Trump’s *** can’t taste that good.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this prove the House’s 2nd article of impeachment, that “Trump has obstructed Congress?” If trump, his defense team, and Moscow Mitch knew about Bolton’s words, and kept them from Congress, isn’t that the very definition of obstruction?

Methinks that his own defense attorneys and Moscow Mitch have a lot to answer for.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Here’s the most frustrating thing for me. There’s zero evidence that the Bidens did anything wrong in Ukraine. Yet despite zero evidence to support this, Republicans assume the Bidens are guilty of some crime.

Despite overwhelming evidence that Trump was up to no good, Republicans still presume him innocent and are making zero effort to find out the truth. Even if it goes against the wishes of 70+ percent of the country, abandons a European ally and empowers our Russian enemy, and leaves us less safe.

The partisanship of the right is just so discouraging.

 

[Deleted member 365]

So why wouldn’t you want him to testify? If Trump is so innocent, wouldn’t he want Bolton to testify? Either Bolton backtracks or perjures himself under oath. Right? Trump gains nothing from blocking a “liar” from testifying only to have him publish a book which ***** on your administration. Right? So why not prove him a liar on the world’s biggest stage?

Hell, why doesn’t Mulvaney, Pompeo, Bolton, Barr, Texas goofy glasses Perry, and Trump all come down to the Capitol building and clear this whole thing up? If Trump’s so innocent, then this impeachment “hoax” will destroy the Democratic Party for the next several generations, right?

 

[Zombie]

Its awesome I predict you'll binge watch the **** out of it. Bit of background to make some things make sense, New South Wales politics and establishment is renowned for its corruption its a running theme through the series.

Your prediction was correct, been watching it all evening. This show is funny as hell.