The Official "Let's Vote Trump Out" Thread!

[JazzyFresh]

Problems contributing to homelessness, to different degrees in different areas:
1) Fewer well-paying jobs for those with a high-school education (or less)
2) Lack of affordable housing
3) Inadequate mental health facilities
4) Migration due to weather and other circumstances
5) Incarceration rates

I agree the current solutions don't work. We need to do better, which is different from doing less.

1)so these people are capable of working
2) it's California, Washington, and NY lol of course nothing is affordable
3) agree
4)why is New York at 80,000+? You been there during winter?
5) I'm all for criminal justice reform. I applaud Trump for his actions but it's nowhere near enough.

 

[JazzyFresh]

My point, which you may or may not have missed, was that "To not help people in the hopes that they all die and then the problem is solved?" was a rhetorical question, and not aimed at you in any way.

My point was that she asked
"solution, Jazzy? To not help people l"

She wasn't being literal and neither was I. You made waaaaaay to much out of such a simple thing dude. It wasn't meant to be taken literal it was made to make a point. She asked if my solution was "to not help people" and I was saying "no, that is not my solution". It was really no big deal and I have no clue why it's even a discussion.

 

[Red]

This might come as something of a surprise JazzyFresh, but Donald Trump is not well liked among Democrats.

Maybe this is your first SOTU, but it's really not unusual for the opposing party to not give standing ovations for a President they despise.

It's not about Trump, it's about the success of the American people. It goes to show partisanship is more important than the success of the country.

Cowards..

If Trump cared about the success of the American people, he would act as if he was at least trying to be a president for all Americans. Even when he talks as if that's who he is, he often sounds stilted and uncomfortable speaking from the heart. It does not come natural to him, which does indeed say a lot about the man. And some of us have had the eyes to see that clearly, for years.

He would actually have received at least a slight uptick in approval among voters who did not vote for him in 2016 if he actually showed that he cared more about all Americans than he does about Donald Trump. But he hasn't. And he never has. At least half the country would have stayed in their seats. Not out of partisanship, but out of dislike of a miserable human being who enjoys cruelty and it's applications. He certainly puts the bully in the bully pulpit, and like no other in my lifetime.

And @Zombie is right, the opposition sitting it out is par for the course. A trip down memory lane....



Further, I believe for Trump, and for many of his followers, cruelty has always been the point. Trump hates the people his core supporters hate. This has long been obvious to me, and the fact so many miss this fundamental truth, and actually think it's great to have a bully(and most bullies at heart are cowardly) as a president says something rather ugly about the United States.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/

 

[Gameface]

My point was that she asked
"solution, Jazzy? To not help people l"

She wasn't being literal and neither was I. You made waaaaaay to much out of such a simple thing dude. It wasn't meant to be taken literal it was made to make a point. She asked if my solution was "to not help people" and I was saying "no, that is not my solution". It was really no big deal and I have no clue why it's even a discussion.

Your actual solution was to do "more" that is the extent of what you said you would do.

Holy ****.

 

[JazzyFresh]

I don't need your invitation.

But for the record, I work nights. I woke up today at 4pm, it's my day off. I haven't had any alcoholic beverages. I just finished my coffee.

So, try again.

Nah, if you want to discuss the topic I'm all ears. If you want to add nothing, then I can't stop you.

 

[Gameface]

Nah, if you want to discuss the topic I'm all ears. If you want to add nothing, then I can't stop you.

You have added nothing. I'm waiting for your actual answer. Can you give an actual answer?

 

[JazzyFresh]

Your actual solution was to do "more" that is the extent of what you said you would do.

Holy ****.

Not it wasn't. I gave some solutions I don't have all the answers and neither do you. I know the current solution is not working though. That's been my point since the beginning.

 

[JazzyFresh]

You have added nothing. I'm waiting for your actual answer. Can you give an actual answer?

Great conversation lol. If you want to actually debate then cool man. If not I'm not doing your six year old ****.

 

[Gameface]

Okay, besides doing "more" I have an actual answer.

1 -- we need shelters to help prevent people from dying.

2 -- In these shelters we need to connect homeless people with mental health resources. In some cases these folks might be a prescription away from becoming functional.

3 -- We need to connect with homeless people in the shelters and in the streets to try to provide drug addiction counseling. But I doubt many will kick drug addiction while on the street, so it would be useful to be able to provide dedicated in-patient drug treatment facilities specifically for homeless people.

4 -- We need employment opportunities focused on hiring homeless people and providing them temporary housing, mental health care and basic resources while employed. Ideally these would be jobs that are almost completely filled by homeless people and are intended as a sort of transition point where eventually they find their own housing (with help) and other employment.

That's for starters

 

[Gameface]

Not it wasn't. I gave some solutions I don't have all the answers and neither do you. I know the current solution is not working though. That's been my point since the beginning.

Saying the current solution was not working and that you would do "more" is the entirety of what you said.

 

[JazzyFresh]

If Trump cared about the success of the American people, he would act as if he was at least trying to be a president for all Americans. Even when he talks as if that's who he is, he often sounds stilted and uncomfortable speaking from the heart. It does not come natural to him, which does indeed say a lot about the man. And some of us have had the eyes to see that clearly, for years.

He would actually have received at least a slight uptick in approval among voters who did not vote for him in 2016 if he actually showed that he cared more about all Americans than he does about Donald Trump. But he hasn't. And he never has. At least half the country would have stayed in their seats. Not out of partisanship, but out of dislike of a miserable human being who enjoys cruelty and it's applications. He certainly puts the bully in the bully pulpit, and like no other in my lifetime.

And @Zombie is right, the opposition sitting it out is par for the course. A trip down memory lane....



Further, I believe for Trump, and for many of his followers, cruelty has always been the point. Trump hates the people his core supporters hate. This has long been obvious to me, and the fact so many miss this fundamental truth, and actually think it's great to have a bully(and most bullies at heart are cowardly) as a president says something rather ugly about the United States.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/

What did Obama do?

Did he stick up for Iranian protestors?
Did he pass criminal justice reform?
Did he stick up for Hong Kong?
Is he adamant about the 2nd amendment?
Did he get minorities working?
Did he rid the world of a failed unconstitutional health care plan that literally forced people to pay? The same plan Obqma had his secretary sing up for the last second while he was on vacation?
Did he get people working in natural resources again?
Bring back blue collar jobs(Obama said they didnt exist"
Did he make a trade deal that's supposed to help middle America farmers?
Did he protect American citizens before illegals?
Did he sign am EO combating human trafficking?
Revord women employment?


I could go on Red. All the above proves that he does care. It he a raging narcissistic idiot? Yeah, but to say he has done nothing is a flat out lie. Flat out.

And i maintain that sitting while whole tputomg serious accomplishments is cowardly. You all act like I think Republicans are saints. They're terrible too.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Okay, besides doing "more" I have an actual answer.

1 -- we need shelters to help prevent people from dying.

2 -- In these shelters we need to connect homeless people with mental health resources. In some cases these folks might be a prescription away from becoming functional.

3 -- We need to connect with homeless people in the shelters and in the streets to try to provide drug addiction counseling. But I doubt many will kick drug addiction while on the street, so it would be useful to be able to provide dedicated in-patient drug treatment facilities specifically for homeless people.

4 -- We need employment opportunities focused on hiring homeless people and providing them temporary housing, mental health care and basic resources while employed. Ideally these would be jobs that are almost completely filled by homeless people and are intended as a sort of transition point where eventually they find their own housing (with help) and other employment.

That's for starters

Not so hard, let's get it done! But... Why is it not happening? Is it because our elected officials, Trump included, are too busy wasting millions upon million on gold pens, silver platters and investigations that go no where? I say yes, well partially.

Impeachment is over, now should be the time these people start focusing on us and important matters. But they won't, and we'll continue to support them.