Bucknutz
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Honestly, it really doesn’t matter what you post. You will be called a fascist, Nazi, racist or some other word because you don’t believe in what they do. It’s easier for them to call you a name than actually debate you.
The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread
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SteakNEggs
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I mean... We just got over a 20 year war that accomplished very little besides 2500+ American soldiers dead, hundreds of thousands of deaths, trillions wasted, all for what?
This Russia Ukraine war is not going end any time soon. Hell if China finally decides to join forces or if they attack Taiwan its a full blown WW3. We are on the verge of a default, our oil reserves depleted, the country on the verge of a civil war ourselves (I'm being slightly dramatic there). And because I don't support either of these corrupt *** countries I'm supporting fascism? I call bs.
Again crazy how it's gone from protesting and gathering against Vietnam to openly advocating for war. The once liberal party of love and peace is now the alt-right warmongering death cult.
I don't want war with China either. I don't want war between China and Taiwan. Apparently to the party of blood thirst and war that makes me fascist.
Conflict with China is inevitable unless the U.S. changes course, Beijing's new foreign minister warns
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This Russia Ukraine war is not going end any time soon. Hell if China finally decides to join forces or if they attack Taiwan its a full blown WW3. We are on the verge of a default, our oil reserves depleted, the country on the verge of a civil war ourselves (I'm being slightly dramatic there). And because I don't support either of these corrupt *** countries I'm supporting fascism? I call bs.
Again crazy how it's gone from protesting and gathering against Vietnam to openly advocating for war. The once liberal party of love and peace is now the alt-right warmongering death cult.
I don't want war with China either. I don't want war between China and Taiwan. Apparently to the party of blood thirst and war that makes me fascist.
Conflict with China is inevitable unless the U.S. changes course, Beijing's new foreign minister warns
China warns conflict is inevitable unless U.S. changes course
The fiery comments echoed President Xi Jinping's remarks blaming U.S. efforts to contain China for deteriorating relations and suggesting Beijing would increasingly seek to push back.
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Bucknutz
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And are you allowed to still be realistic when posting about what’s actually happening in the unjust war, even if it’s not in favor of the side you support? Or do need to be an outspoken cheerleader for that side, so you’re not seen as supporting the aggressor?
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Of course. However, when a person starts just repeating the aggressor's propaganda you get to call it what it is. When a person says that because they don't support war they want to allow the aggressor to steamroll the defender because that's what peace looks like it's fair to call them out for their BS.
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Are you saying you think you would like to debate with him?
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Point of view….
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What if? Counterfactual Trump and the western response to the war in Ukraine
This article contrasts Joe Biden and Donald Trump's personalities to argue that the current unified western response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine would have
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Abstract
Because of his personality, had Donald Trump won the 2020 election the remarkable and unexpected united response by NATO allies to the February 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine would not have happened. Relying on leader personality research in foreign policy, we demonstrate this by using the counterfactual method of analysis. Specifying key differences between Biden's and Trump's personalities in terms of their experiences, traits and beliefs, we explicitly show that president Trump would have been very unlikely to share US intelligence, rally NATO allies in support of Ukraine or challenge Vladimir Putin. In contrast, these responses fit very well with Joe Biden's personality. We first present counterfactual analysis as a method before comparing Biden and Trump along personality characteristics known to significantly influence foreign-policy decisions. Through our case-study, we demonstrate the value of using systematic and theoretically grounded counterfactual methods for assessing the importance of individual differences between leaders and emphasizing their impact on international affairs.Conclusions
While the phrase ‘counterfactual Trump’ may conjure notions of fake news and false election denials, in this article we have gone further by actually overturning the 2020 election, if only analytically. Our counterfactual analysis demonstrates how differences between Trump's and Biden's personalities—their beliefs, traits and the experiences that shaped them—affected the US approach and the response of NATO allies to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Biden's commitment to Ukraine and his views on Russia, combined with his empathy and willingness to listen to advisers, all contributed towards his strong condemnation of Russia and his strong support for Ukraine. His cooperative nature—both in his worldview and his style—were an important part of his multilateral efforts. In contrast, Trump's transactional orientation, his affinity for Putin and his antipathy towards Ukraine, combined with his overly self-confident, exploitative and distrusting nature, would have compelled him towards a different approach, making sustained criticism of Russia, support for Ukraine, free sharing of intelligence and prioritizing European allies very unlikely.
Bucknutz
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Sure, I think I could have an absolutely civil debate with him. I think he is frustrated because of the responses or lack there of, he gets from the other side. Then he turns it into spamming with additional posts. But look at some of the rebuttals from some posters, it’s frustrating to read.
I think Gameface and I are not very close politically, yet we have civil debates. There's topics that I will not engage him in because of my ignorance; it's better to learn than look like a fool. When we do debate, there is effort on both sides, rather than a quick gotcha line.
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Strange that not one single person has ever had a civil debate with him. Not even one brow who is about as civil as anyone in history.
Here is the most recent post from their “civil” debate: Transphobe. You hate Trans people. I'm just going to start using your childish tactic you transphobe. You fell for an onion article. Fitting for a pathological lying troll. How embarrassing that you fell for a satire article.
Maybe the person who almost everyone ignores might just be the problem. I doubt you could have a civil debate with him if there was a topic that you two were on opposite sides about.
I mean this was his response to your recent post: So supporting Ukraine who is a well established fascist country is what? Ukraine is literally one of the most fascist countries in Europe. Am I wrong?
They have historically been as corrupt as any nation out there... Now we are sending 100s on billions to them....
There's extremest killing innocent people all over the globe and while it's terrible should we intervene? There's needless wars going on in Sudan, Israel and Palestine are constantly provoking each other, wars in Libya.
These are not our wars
How can you debate with that? He says ukraine is literally one of the most facist countries in europe. He post things like this all the time. How can you debate that? Is there a facism test that you can run to determine which european countries are the most and least facist? He posts things as fact without any data so often. Question that opinion and you just get spammed with a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with the discussion.
He compares russia invading a country militarily with extremists doing stuff and asks if we should intervene in every issue in the entire world. As if since we dont get involved in everything then we cant/shouldnt get involved in anything.
He says the war wouldnt have happened if trump were president. How do you debate that?
You should go ahead and try to debate him on some of the things he posts. I’ll bring the popcorn.
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One Brow
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Yes. Ukraine is corrupt, but not fascist, and has been moving in the right direction for a few years.
We have not intervened in Ukraine.
That's remarkably naive. What would Trump have done to stop this, outside of military intervention?
One Brow
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"I agree war is always bad news, but sometimes the bad news in this war is for Russia instead of for Ukraine." What part of that says there is good news?
One Brow
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That's a minority of "them", which minority does get called out from time to time by members of "them". However, trolls will troll.