The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread
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I know that 2 chemical plants, a military base, and 2 oil refineries (which mostly supply Europe) have been set on fire/destroyed) in the last week. Are these the ops you're talking about?
The article said they Russians believe the SAS are operating out of Lviv. My guess is they were probably behind the attack on the Russian flag ship, probably not directly nut they likely planned and directed it. When you think about it, its hard to believe they would not have been present when you consider that Boris Johnson got a Eurail pass for a weekend and showed up in Kyiv. What a loss he would have been if the Russians got him?
Found a good history of how we went wrong with Russia.
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"We are being manipulated".
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"We are being manipulated".
I think that's what they call a win-win?
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It’s pretty amazing how nearly every single Russian conspiracy cited in this article has been used by @babe to justify Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. One would think that this would cause him to second guess his sources. But something tells me it won’t.
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Opinion | The Five Conspiracy Theories That Putin Has Weaponized
The gap between conspiracy theory and state policy has vanished.
You continue to prove yourself to be neither an intelligent, thinking, reasoned participant in this discussion nor honest in your comments when the facts are on the table. But nevertheless, I believe you are pretty smart, or capable of being "smart" if you decided that was an important thing to be.It’s pretty amazing how nearly every single Russian conspiracy cited in this article has been used by @babe to justify Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. One would think that this would cause him to second guess his sources. But something tells me it won’t.
Opinion | The Five Conspiracy Theories That Putin Has Weaponized
The gap between conspiracy theory and state policy has vanished.
What you prove with remarks like this is that you are an unthinking activist for your little band of groupies.
I have stated my purpose is to present the best of what I can find to support or explain the Russian or Putin view, in their actual beliefs. I am not a propagandist. I look for what facts I can find, or find information on, to understand the other side. I post the source, the links, and the conclusions advanced.
I have also identified my position, personally, as opposing wars generally, and specifically opposing strong central governance. I am opposed the UN, opposed to NATO, opposed to dictators in toto, which includes Putin and Xi and the British and American oligarchs and other oligarchic (fascist) leveraged influence around the whole damn world.
Vladimir Pozner has written about Putin in fairly objective terms, and about the West. He notes in the video I posted above that "journalism" on both sides has degenerated and become more propaganda-driven, and less credible.
I understand he was raised Marxist, and moved to Moscow while Stalin was still in power. He is not in my opinion as great a thinker as Alexander Solzhenitsyn or Dostoyevsky.
Under overt communist ideological suppression, religion was systematically suppressed. One of the good things about Putin, in my view, has been his "state-supported" effort to build up the Russian Orthodox Church, even though his purpose is perhaps more like making it a sort of patriotic propaganda tool. At least it is a step away from hard communist ideology, and something that recognizes people's basic right of belief. Putin's main opponents inside Russia are the old communist party ideologues, and a contingent of Western-influenced Russians whom I would term ideologic "progressives" or "UN fascists".
Before Putin's big mistake of invading Ukraine, I was here trying to point out the need for a diplomatic resolution. It was Khruschev who in 1954 changed the Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts from Russian to Ukrainian regional classification. It was Catharine the Great and the Czars who systematically infused the Ukraine region with more Russian population, build Russian cities as outposts of Mother Russia. It was the historic front of Islamic aggression that many Slavic peoples united to resist through the middle ages. It was the British and Ottoman Empire combination that tried to push the Russian, Czarist, rule back through Ukraine, unsuccessfully.
I favor local governance in all cases where ever there is any chance of success. Accordingly, I reason, it would be a good move to partition some local areas like Donets and Luhansk if there are sharp lines of demarcation that could substantially improve people's control of their local government. It would be ideal if the US Constitutional principles of local sovereignty and Federal organization could be understood and respected.
I oppose the US Foreign Policy trend towards involvement in wars, regime change, and cartel establishments around the world, including China. Free Trade, to be free, has to be reasonably competitive, and free of deals like we do, even and especially Trump deals, that promote monopoly economics worldwide.
I consider at this point that the Ukraine war is a proxy war with the US vs Russia. Certainly our media and the Russian media prove that is the reality.
We should negotiate a settlement with Russia, and promote a settlement within the Ukraine region. There has been increasing ethnic oppression across the area since 1992 with suppression of political parties and human rigthts. Zelensky is guilty of this, and Zelensky took the bait of Western support and encouragement to withdraw from the Misnsk acvcord and refused to negotiate. Zelensky and NATO havfe their war-mongering and human rights violations here.
We should use our influence to promote a negotiated peace.
But instead, we are getting ourselves stuck in another unwinnable useless foreign war where the local people will be fighting for lifetimes. There is no way anyone can win this.
Until you realize that the NY Times is not real journalism, you will continue to be the dupe here.
Россияне восхитились...It’s pretty amazing how nearly every single Russian conspiracy cited in this article has been used by @babe to justify Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. One would think that this would cause him to second guess his sources. But something tells me it won’t.
Opinion | The Five Conspiracy Theories That Putin Has Weaponized
The gap between conspiracy theory and state policy has vanished.
The New York Times' correspondent Durante justified Stalin's use of genocidal famine imposed on Ukraine, resulting in over 4 million Ukrainian deaths.
How ‘The New York Times’ Helped Hide Stalin’s Mass Murders in Ukraine
Journalism doesn’t have to stifle the truth in the service of fashionable causes and personal narcissism. It’s a choice.
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In the 1930s, Stalin's Russia was the shining vanguard of the dream of Progressivism at that time. Today, Putin's Russia is the stick in the mud slowing the progress. Documented sources reporting in any non-supportive manner to general political nature of Progressive, so called, politics since 1880 have been routinely labeled as uninformed or suspect, with perjorative labels in the media that is on board with "Progress". The fundamental support for the Progressive Era has been the wealthy, I should say the wealthiest, of the world's "robber barons", corrupt political financiers, cartel interests intent upon buying advantage through expanded government powers. Among the founding "great intellects" was Lord Cecil Rhodes, whose views of sociology and British supremacy generally gave him such grave concerns about the third world "coloreds" populace qualified him as a racist. The movement later embraced eugenics, and spawned Hitler. In Russia, it promoted the communist ideology as a means for regulating the populace, where there was no established industrial elite network to do the job.
During WWII, the Progressive elites decided to suppress China as a competitor in world commerce by favoring Mao over Chiang Kai Shek.
A Closer Look at "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell
Americans rightly regard General Joseph W. Stilwell as a hero. Few know that he was a total failure with respect to his primary mission which was to be the Commander of American Forces in the China Burma India theater (CBI) and Chief of Staff to Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek! That story has...
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The shift to open up China was influenced by William J. Fulbright's book "The Arrogance of Power", which laid out a subtle ruse on the world's people for setting up another puppet to blame for the world's woes in the coming century.
Today, both Russia and China are "wise" to the Western strategy, and even countries like India see the necessity to disbelieve our lying major Press, like the New York Times.
The war-mongers in Ukraine, the NATO proponents and Zelensky cult have done such an excellent job of disinformation, you look like Russians, really. The truth does not matter, it's the grand cause.
I have heard critics of Putin and Russia and the Russian Orthodox Church today lay out a sort of racist explanation that Russians are intrinsically or inherently conscienceless and immoral sub-cretins who alone commit all the atrocities of war.
I have not been in Ukraine to see for myself, but I think it likely that some of the "atrocities" are staged. Under communist indoctrination for a century, a large number of Ukrainians and Russians are sincere "materialists" who really have not been taught Christian precepts nor Western ideals like the Magna Carta or US Constitution, nor older "Eastern" nonviolent beliefs, which largely underlie the whole idea of human rights. Japanese soldiers in WWII, under heavy indoctrination, also lacked those ideals. War brings out the worst of human nature.
Rather than hype the alleged atrocities to justify more extreme war psychology, anyone who cares about humanity should demand peace negotiations and any settlement that will stand as a real settlement of the issues.
We begin by recognizing the valid concerns of the local populace and the facts on the ground. Some of that requires conceding the validity of Putin's "Russian Nationalism" that is represented by the national security of Russia. Recognition of the promises made and the destabilization we have caused by breaking those promises and treaty arrangements.
NATO and NATO-supported local belligerents might take Russia itself, along with various other national scraps of satellite states, but this process is not fundamentally democratic. It is Fascist. There will be no improvement under such regimes over what has been there in the last century. There will be continued genocides, economic disruptions, and suppression of people's opportunities in life.
NATO, under Western oligarchic governance, is Fascist, like the UN itself. India has long had substantial connections with Russia, with significant communist inputs. But Gandhi saw the evil of violence even in seeking whatever "worthy" ends, and marked an essential unity of British Imperialism imposing colonial rule with communist "revolution" by violent means in general. These are "Western" ideas.
today, Putin is opposing "Western" influence and building a "Russian" alternative, but still violent and "imperialistic" or colonial. China under Xi is also pushing back on Western ideals and culture, but also subject to the perverse forcible colonial expansion idea. This is the natural consequence of the UN global organization, which is the root cause of war today. Even India is building major military capacity, perhaps out of necessity.
We are headed for major change, hardly good change, because we are turning to propaganda, indoctrination of human beings, instead of education.
People who today push activist agendas with unthinking ideology or simply direct bullying, like we see in here so much, are working towards a worse world even than we have had.
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As I often do, todays survey of topics I'm interested in took me to the Jacobin.
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Aleksandr Dugin.
Ideological source embracing the basically false political schema of progressive "thinkers"
I call it push-back on British colonialism, much needed in general.
Putin being called a Nazi, like Trump. Putin is nominally "socialist", but mostly "pragmatic". Trump is nominally "pragmatic" but mostly buffoonish glad-hander nice guy.
Aleksandr Dugin Is the Reactionary Prophet of Russian Ultranationalism
Most have never heard of Aleksandr Dugin or his obscure Traditionalist philosophy. But both have quietly become important influences on Russian politics over the past few decades.
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Aleksandr Dugin.
Ideological source embracing the basically false political schema of progressive "thinkers"
I call it push-back on British colonialism, much needed in general.
Putin being called a Nazi, like Trump. Putin is nominally "socialist", but mostly "pragmatic". Trump is nominally "pragmatic" but mostly buffoonish glad-hander nice guy.
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Again, more Russian propaganda. Sounds exactly like some people on this board
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