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Why would Zelensky agree to yet another peace agreement? There have been 12 agreed upon, signed by both parties, agreements, with the first being put into place in 2012. Each and every time, Putin has broken the terms by sending troops into Ukraine unprovoked. Multiple countries have mediated these agreements, the US included. The definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result". Why would he have any faith any agreement would be honored?And the agreement proposed by Trump does not have anywhere near favorable terms for his country- The US gets the rights to not only minerals and rare earth, but ALL other natural resources to the amount of 500 billion dollars. Russia gets Ukraines land. There is no guarantee the US will provide assistance to them against Russia, and any assistance provided must be paid back double (2 dollars for every 1 dollar) - The deal will put his citizens in debt for the next decade, and the country will still not have any guarantees of sovereignty. If our president agreed to a deal like that, we would impeach him.
 
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A speculative article and no deal signed still? Oh wow
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Yup, and a missile strike killed some civilians...

www.nytimes.com

Missile Strikes Hotel in Zelensky’s Hometown in Ukraine

At least four people were killed in a Russian attack, Ukraine said, amid concerns about air defenses after the U.S. said it was suspending military and intelligence aid.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

... and Ukraine is taking back some small villages south of Pokrovsk that are mostly piles of rubble at the cost of several hundred soldier's lives.

kyivindependent.com

Ukrainian forces liberate Kotlyne village near Pokrovsk in Donetsk Oblast

Kotlyne and Pokrovsk are connected by the T 0406 highway, which also leads to Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.
kyivindependent.com kyivindependent.com

..and it will be more tomorrow, and more the day after that, and more the day after that. The killing and dying will go on day after day until both sides put down their weapons, and I cheer the effort to get both sides to do that.
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
Yup, and a missile strike killed some civilians...

www.nytimes.com

Missile Strikes Hotel in Zelensky’s Hometown in Ukraine

At least four people were killed in a Russian attack, Ukraine said, amid concerns about air defenses after the U.S. said it was suspending military and intelligence aid.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

... and Ukraine is taking back some small villages south of Pokrovsk that are mostly piles of rubble at the cost of several hundred soldier's lives.

kyivindependent.com

Ukrainian forces liberate Kotlyne village near Pokrovsk in Donetsk Oblast

Kotlyne and Pokrovsk are connected by the T 0406 highway, which also leads to Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.
kyivindependent.com kyivindependent.com

..and it will be more tomorrow, and more the day after that, and more the day after that. The killing and dying will go on day after day until both sides put down their weapons, and I cheer the effort to get both sides to do that.
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Exactly. We agree that trump should put security guarantees in the deal but trump wants the killing to continue.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
If Trump wanted the killing to continue, all he'd have to do is recall Marco Rubio and ship in more weapons.
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Or stop giving Ukraine intelligence to help shoot down drones that are killing people.

Or not include something in the peace agreement that could get it done.

There are multiple things trump could do to ensure more killing. He is doing some of them and not doing some of them.
 
trump is willing to throw the US a bone to get peace.
He is willing to throw Russia a bone to get peace.
But throw Ukraine a bone. Nah. If that is necessary for peace then **** peace.
 
fishonjazz said:
trump is willing to throw the US a bone to get peace.
He is willing to throw Russia a bone to get peace.
But throw Ukraine a bone. Nah. If that is necessary for peace then **** peace.
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Not at all. The negotiators for the US are seeking to give both sides the bones they need, and that may include security guarantees, but those conversations need to take place in private. The back-and-forth of negotiations needs to happen away from the cameras.

The huge mistake Zelensky made was to believe himself to be seen as such a hero to Western people as to believe no elected official in a Western country would dare deny him on camera for fear of losing the support of their own population. Zelensky apparently didn't believe what the US was putting in the deal as sufficient and so he arranged to appear on camera in front of the American public under the guise of it being a signing ceremony, to make the case for what he wanted instead of letting those negotiating on Ukraine's behalf behind closed doors do that. It was amateur hour, and it did more damage than I believe Zelenksy was thinking it possibly could have.

Zelensky's lie about the pretense for going to the White House, which we know was a lie as Zelenksy told Senator Chris Murphy beforehand that he had no intention of signing the deal at the White House, combined with his massive miscalculation at how Trump would react to Zelenksy's effort to pressure him on camera, has led to the stoppage in weapons shipments, the cutting off of intelligence, the US reaching out to political rivals in Ukraine to replace Zelensky, and even rumblings of deporting 240,000 Ukrainians currently living in the United States. All of that stemmed from Zelensky trying to negotiate in front of the cameras. If the negotiations had been left behind closed doors, none of it would have happened.

There is a reason we don't hear anything about the negotiations with the Russians. Say what you want about the Russians, but they aren't amateur hour.
 
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trump is like, "hey russia, you get peace and the land you conquered and no consequences for all the deaths you caused"
"We get peace and also a new revenue stream"
"Ukraine, you get peace and good chance that russia will attack you again in the near future"

Come to think if it, that is probably trumps plan. Get this new revenue stream now, have russia attack again in a year or two and offer ukraine another peace deal where the US gets something more from Ukraine.
 
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fishonjazz said:
"We get peace and also a new revenue stream"
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There is no revenue stream. Rare earth elements in the ground are almost worthless.

The United States has more proven rare earth mineral reserves than Ukraine. We are in the top-10 globally, and may actually have more rare earth minerals than any other country on the planet.

www.theearthandi.org

Estimated 2.34 billion Metric Tons of Rare Earth Minerals Discovered in US

An estimated 2.34 billion metric tons of rare earth minerals (REMs) were recently discovered near Wheatland, a town in southeastern Wyoming.
www.theearthandi.org www.theearthandi.org

We have zero functional rare earth mining operations in the United States. Australia has one and they are about to go out of business.

seekingalpha.com

Lynas posts big quarterly revenue drop, hikes Kalgoorlie capex budget to A$800M

Lynas Rare Earths reports lower FQ3 revenues due to weak prices and raises cost estimate for Kalgoorlie facility in Western Australia.
seekingalpha.com seekingalpha.com

China dominates the market because they are effectively using slaves to mine it, and have no problems exposing those doing the mining to the constant toxic conditions required to mine those materials. Ukraine may have $500 billion worth of rare earth minerals, but it would take $1 trillion to get those minerals out of the ground. The so-called mineral deal is nothing but a pretext to get Americans on the ground in a way the Russian negotiators, who we don't hear anything from because they know how not to shoot themselves in the face, will agree to.
 
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There is no revenue stream. Rare earth elements in the ground are almost worthless.

The United States has more proven rare earth mineral reserves than Ukraine. We are in the top-10 globally, and may actually have more rare earth minerals than any other country on the planet.

www.theearthandi.org

Estimated 2.34 billion Metric Tons of Rare Earth Minerals Discovered in US

An estimated 2.34 billion metric tons of rare earth minerals (REMs) were recently discovered near Wheatland, a town in southeastern Wyoming.
www.theearthandi.org www.theearthandi.org

We have zero functional rare earth mining operations in the United States. Australia has one and they are about to go out of business.

seekingalpha.com

Lynas posts big quarterly revenue drop, hikes Kalgoorlie capex budget to A$800M

Lynas Rare Earths reports lower FQ3 revenues due to weak prices and raises cost estimate for Kalgoorlie facility in Western Australia.
seekingalpha.com seekingalpha.com

China dominates the market because they are effectively using slaves to mine it, and have no problems exposing those doing the mining to the constant toxic conditions required to mine those materials. Ukraine may have $500 billion worth of rare earth minerals, but it would take $1 trillion to get those minerals out of the ground. The so-called mineral deal is nothing but a pretext to get Americans on the ground in a way the Russian negotiators, who we don't hear anything from because they know how not to shoot themselves in the face, will agree to.
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Ya maybe trump was being dishonest when he said we get 500 billion dollars to pay back the 300 billion (also a lie) that we gave to Ukraine. He is dishonest and lies a lot. Good point.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Ya maybe trump was being dishonest when he said we get 500 billion dollars to pay back the 300 billion (also a lie) that we gave to Ukraine. He is dishonest and lies a lot. Good point.
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Duh. He lies all the time. Everything he has anything to do with isn't actually "the best any expert has ever seen, and they've seen a lot, but they say what I did was the best." Trump puts on a show, but it is a show for a purpose, and right now that purpose is to stop the killing and destruction in Ukraine. I care less about total honesty than I do about people dying. I do not understand the mindset of wanting more human beings in Ukraine to lose their lives just to spite Trump. That is a crazy level of hate to me.
 
Can count on Timothy Snyder to clarify things. This interview was from Sept. 2024.

www.vanityfair.com

Timothy Snyder Explains How Americans Might Adapt to Fascism Under Trump

In an interview with 'Vanity Fair,' the Yale historian discusses quotidian authoritarianism, explains how Democrats can reclaim the word freedom, and critiques the “war fatigue” narrative around Ukraine. “How can we be tired?” he asks. “We’re not doing a damn thing.”
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com

What do you think another Trump presidency would mean for the war and for America’s commitment to Ukraine?

I think Trump switches sides and puts American power on the Russian side, effectively. I think Trump cuts off. He’s a bad dealmaker—that’s the problem. I mean, he’s a good entertainer. He’s very talented; he’s very charismatic. In his way, he’s very intelligent, but he’s not a good dealmaker. And a) ending wars is not a deal the way that buying a building is a deal, and b) even if it were, he’s consistently made bad deals his whole career and lost out and gone bankrupt.

So you can’t really trust him with something like this, even if his intentions were good—and I don’t think his intentions are good. Going back to the strongman thing, I think he believes that it’s right and good that the strong defeat and dominate the weak. And I think in his instinctual view of the world, Putin is pretty much the paradigmatic strongman—the one that he admires the most. And because he thinks Putin is strong, Putin will win. The sad irony of all this is that we are so much stronger than Russia. And in my view, the only way Russia can really win is if we flip or if we do nothing. So, because Trump himself is so psychologically weak and wants to look up to another strongman, I think he’s going to flip. But even if I’m wrong about that, I think he’s incompetent to deal with a situation like this. Because he wants the quick affirmation of a deal. And if the other side knows you’re in a hurry, then you’ve already lost from the beginning.
 
The MAGA movement has become pro-Putin.
Red said:
Can count on Timothy Snyder to clarify things. This interview was from Sept. 2024.

www.vanityfair.com

Timothy Snyder Explains How Americans Might Adapt to Fascism Under Trump

In an interview with 'Vanity Fair,' the Yale historian discusses quotidian authoritarianism, explains how Democrats can reclaim the word freedom, and critiques the “war fatigue” narrative around Ukraine. “How can we be tired?” he asks. “We’re not doing a damn thing.”
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com

What do you think another Trump presidency would mean for the war and for America’s commitment to Ukraine?

I think Trump switches sides and puts American power on the Russian side, effectively. I think Trump cuts off. He’s a bad dealmaker—that’s the problem. I mean, he’s a good entertainer. He’s very talented; he’s very charismatic. In his way, he’s very intelligent, but he’s not a good dealmaker. And a) ending wars is not a deal the way that buying a building is a deal, and b) even if it were, he’s consistently made bad deals his whole career and lost out and gone bankrupt.

So you can’t really trust him with something like this, even if his intentions were good—and I don’t think his intentions are good. Going back to the strongman thing, I think he believes that it’s right and good that the strong defeat and dominate the weak. And I think in his instinctual view of the world, Putin is pretty much the paradigmatic strongman—the one that he admires the most. And because he thinks Putin is strong, Putin will win. The sad irony of all this is that we are so much stronger than Russia. And in my view, the only way Russia can really win is if we flip or if we do nothing. So, because Trump himself is so psychologically weak and wants to look up to another strongman, I think he’s going to flip. But even if I’m wrong about that, I think he’s incompetent to deal with a situation like this. Because he wants the quick affirmation of a deal. And if the other side knows you’re in a hurry, then you’ve already lost from the beginning.
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And as well….

“I was asked to make a shorter video summarizing the logic of negotiation. Here it is: five basic tests to establish whether what is proposed by Americans can be regarded as a Ukrainian-Russian peace process. I hope you find it useful, for example in evaluating claims made by the American president in his speech this evening. At the moment, American policy seems to meet none of these tests; it seems, in fact, designed to create the conditions for a broader and a longer war by excluding, exploiting and harming Ukraine, strengthening Russia, misconstruing the basic reality of the war, ignoring international law, and denying the need for any structure at all beyond the verbal assurances. But I wanted to lay these out these five tests in a neutral way to help people consider or themselves. Thanks for being with me. Please share this post”.

snyder.substack.com

Is it a peace process? (short video)

Five quick tests for the US in a two-minute video
snyder.substack.com snyder.substack.com
 
Red said:
Can count on Timothy Snyder to clarify things. This interview was from Sept. 2024.

www.vanityfair.com

Timothy Snyder Explains How Americans Might Adapt to Fascism Under Trump

In an interview with 'Vanity Fair,' the Yale historian discusses quotidian authoritarianism, explains how Democrats can reclaim the word freedom, and critiques the “war fatigue” narrative around Ukraine. “How can we be tired?” he asks. “We’re not doing a damn thing.”
www.vanityfair.com www.vanityfair.com

What do you think another Trump presidency would mean for the war and for America’s commitment to Ukraine?

I think Trump switches sides and puts American power on the Russian side, effectively. I think Trump cuts off. He’s a bad dealmaker—that’s the problem. I mean, he’s a good entertainer. He’s very talented; he’s very charismatic. In his way, he’s very intelligent, but he’s not a good dealmaker. And a) ending wars is not a deal the way that buying a building is a deal, and b) even if it were, he’s consistently made bad deals his whole career and lost out and gone bankrupt.

So you can’t really trust him with something like this, even if his intentions were good—and I don’t think his intentions are good. Going back to the strongman thing, I think he believes that it’s right and good that the strong defeat and dominate the weak. And I think in his instinctual view of the world, Putin is pretty much the paradigmatic strongman—the one that he admires the most. And because he thinks Putin is strong, Putin will win. The sad irony of all this is that we are so much stronger than Russia. And in my view, the only way Russia can really win is if we flip or if we do nothing. So, because Trump himself is so psychologically weak and wants to look up to another strongman, I think he’s going to flip. But even if I’m wrong about that, I think he’s incompetent to deal with a situation like this. Because he wants the quick affirmation of a deal. And if the other side knows you’re in a hurry, then you’ve already lost from the beginning.
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Man what a great summary of what is happening and why.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
. I care less about total honesty than I do about people dying.
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Hollow lie. If your statement was true then just once you would say that you think trump should put security guarantees in the deal to get Zelensky to agree to it.
You won't though.
 

View: https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1897664165298528682?t=l1iHtVsfv5AEgTvLSUwfJg&s=19

I'll translate what Danish PM Mette Frederiksen is really saying: Ukraine must keep fighting a war it cannot win—because its real purpose is to keep Russia occupied. A ceasefire isn’t an option, not for Ukraine, but for the EU. Why? Because if Russia weren’t tied up in Ukraine, the EU would have to take responsibility for its own defenses.

Let’s be clear: the EU isn’t "supporting" Ukraine. It’s fueling a war of attrition, letting Ukraine bleed out to buy itself time. That’s not aid. That’s complicity in genocide. And it’s repulsive.

Shame on EU.
 
Well these sound like some peaceful trustworth folks.


A Russian senator issued a horrifying warning to British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, saying that sending troops to Ukraine would help Russia "fertilize the Crimean vineyards" with their bodies.

"What did this Starmer say? More precisely, what did he want to say? It was like, 'I'm such a cool British Prime Minister, now I'll gather my courage and send the royal army and navy to Russia'.

"Send them, Starmer. Don't talk, send them. Don't forget to give your Scots combat tartan skirts, so that our drones can easily fly in there and kick their spicy asses."

"Don't ignore the glorious Irish with the blue plume on their hats, by which our snipers will be pleased to count them in the shabby Zaporizhzhia forest regiments.

"Don't miss the moment to put grizzly fur hats on your brave English warriors, who are never dried out in your pubs. They will be very useful in the Donetsk trenches for feeding thousands of local mice. Come on, Starmer, blow your bagpipes, blow to us, brave warrior of the crazy king."

"It has been a long time since we fertilised the Crimean vineyards with [the corpses of] British officers. We are waiting, Starmer. The time has come."

Major General Apti Alaudinov echoed this shcoking sentiment, telling Emmanuel Macron that any of his troops sent to Ukraine, which he called "little frogs", would be defeated.

He added that Europe and NATO would also "cease to exist" if it tried a "boots on the ground" approach to supporting Kyiv.

He said: "We should be ready to raise an army of, say, a couple of million. [This would put European armies] in a position from which they will never recover - never.

"If they do go for it, most of Europe as we know it will simply cease to exist.


damn. Russians are kind of dicks. Maybe just dont invade countries and if you do make that mistake then fix the mistake by going back home.

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Putin doesn't have enough manpower to take over Ukraine, and now he's threatening to suddenly be able to raise an army of millions?
That's because trump is offering Putin the USA.
That is because his buddy T is backing him.
That's because Trump is Putin's alli and has Putin is planning on the US Military to help him take over Europe and Trump is trying to hand the USA to him on a silver platter.
THERE IS A TRAITOR IN OUR HOUSE
 
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