TheMulletMutilator
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Oh and this is not defending BP. They can go bankrupt for all I care. Oil companies in general disgust me. Arianna Huffington is a liar and overall weirdo.
The oil spill...
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TheMulletMutilator
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A possible cleanup solution. Pretty cool if you enjoy science. Watch the video.
https://www.cnbc.com/id/37596590/Chemical_Eating_Microbes_Might_Clean_Up_Gulf_Oil
https://www.cnbc.com/id/37596590/Chemical_Eating_Microbes_Might_Clean_Up_Gulf_Oil
Ok, so I haven't followed the story closely but my boss next door is watching Fox News and it sounds distinctly like they're defending BP and blaming Obama for demonizing the company.
Can anyone explain to me what the hell is going on?
Can anyone explain to me what the hell is going on?
Rep. Joe Barton of Texas apologized to BP CEO Tony Hayward for the Obama "shakedown".
https://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2660
Big oil and their cronies suck balls.
OMG. BP spills oil, is forced to set-up a fund to pay the damages resulting from that spill, and we feel BAD for them?
This has got to be a joke. Please tell me this is one of those un-funny onion articles I stopped reading in 1999.
This has got to be a joke. Please tell me this is one of those un-funny onion articles I stopped reading in 1999.
TheMulletMutilator
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Fox isn't defending BP. They are criticizing the President because he is doing next to nothing. His speech was a joke. Don't believe me, ask liberals such as Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann.
I'm not sure what Obama is expected to do...he doesn't have a magic wand.
TheMulletMutilator
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Keep us informed with the facts. We don't need to hear about our terrible amount of oil consumption. Everyone knows we use way too much. If you are the POTUS in this type of situation, then you go out there and say that X and Y is happening and our options are W, Z, and Q. He has not at all shown strength on this issue.
billyshelby
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I have no real conviction about Obama one way or the other, but how this is being laid at his feet is beyond me. If Bush was the president I'd be defending him, but only until it was revealed the lax policies of his administration led directly to this disaster. There is no way it should be so easy to to just drill for oil anywhere you want, any way you want, as long as you can pay the tithe. That's effectively what happened. When the dust settles on this, the second biggest story is going to be what environmental impact studies were done to build Horizon, and then what oversight was put into place to ensure that it was being operated properly. The answer is that virtually no environmental impact study was done, there are no standards for what an oil company has to do to maintain such a rig, and there is no oversight of that. The biggest story, of course, is the grave extent of BP's lax safety practices which are very likely to cripple the company into oblivion when it will be bought off and absorbed into highly moral companies like Exxon or Shell.
TheMulletMutilator
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Both parties are in bed with big oil. This will be Obama's Katrina.
billyshelby
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There is little comparison to this and Katrina. The lone caveat is I don't actually know what Obama was doing with the MMS prior to the disaster, and I know that he was pushing for more offshore drilling. The question is whether there was any overhaul of the Bush policies, but there had to be some considering the massive scandal MMS went through (and the loophole that exempted BP from building Horizon was closed prior to the spill.)
Bush/Katrina is far different. Prior to it occurring, there were years upon years of studies that the entire nation's system of levies, not just New Orleans, built by the lackluster Army Corps of Engineers, was outdated and insufficient. Maybe Bush gets a pass on that. But if I had those studies in my lap, and something like Katrina happened, I wouldn't dawdle in dealing with it. The calamity of Katrina was that the disaster was effectively over and the federal government did almost nothing to respond to it.
Obama may have not acted fast enough to intervene in this debacle, either. But it was evolving. The reports of the damage, and promises of controlling it seemed credible. It took time for it to really sink in that BP was clueless to stop it. And the entire world's scientists still don't have a true answer for it. Obama is dealing with a fluid situation, maybe not as well as he could. Bush was dealing with a fixed situation, and completely botched it.
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I'm not an expert on this issue, but since when is it the President's responsibility to keep us Americans informed with the facts on deep sea oil tragedies?
If you want to stay informed, maybe you could try the BBC, CNN, or BP's website.
Hopefully, most conservatives don't think your way. I mean, now all of a sudden they're concerned with the President informing our populace on this issue? This coming from the side that has argued over everything from Health Care reform to the validity of his birth certificate? I mean, seriously, even if he had spent two hours rattling off facts and "informing" us, think anyone from one political side would have listened or believed in anything he said
Personally, I see this as an exaggeration from the right, trying to score political points once again. Never let a crisis pass. they're blaming the government for "not doing enough" but were only months ago blaming the government for being "too involved" in the private sector.
Which is it?
As Americans we need to understand that we cannot have it both ways. We cannot demand that government stay out of the private sector when things are "going good" with hopes of creating a free market. And then demand that the government come in and "bail out" a failed company or a company that has an accident.
In other words, we cannot act like a spoiled brat. We cannot demand that our parents stay away when things go well then cry and ask for their help when we screw up. We need to grow up and decide what kind of society and economic philosophy we want to adopt.
Many on the right are also acting out of anger but really have no idea where to direct it. Yes, we're all angry about it happening, but some of us react differently. Some, direct their anger towards those responsible, like BP and those who were in charge of regulating this thing. While others get mad at the President of the US.
I cannot see any similarity to this incident and Katrina, a natural disaster. None at all, as much as Hannity and Beck may want to compare the two.
Even if Obama had turned the oil into wine, think those looking to score political points at his expense would have finally accepted him as the "Messiah?"
Listen, I'm not a big Obama guy, but I truly am offended at the anger directed towards our Federal Government and especially our new President. I find it predictable... Yet no les repulsing that Foxnews, radio, and politicians are using us lemmings to deflect attention from those truly responsible for this horrible disaster just in order to score some political points.
Direct your anger towards BP (a company with a long history of making cuts to save money), it was their damn rig that blew up in the first place. It's their fault that 12 people are dead, families changed forever, and thousands if not millions of Americans are feeling the effects of this horrible accident that could have been prevented had BP done their job.
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