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The Paths Forward From Here

Which path should we take?

  • Compete now - Trade for a "star" (Dejounte Murray, Zach LaVine, Quickley, or a similar type player)

    Votes: 16 21.1%

  • Chill mode - Just ride the fence until next offseason

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Consolidate and roll with the young players more - trade some of KO, THT, Clarkson, Collins, Sexton

    Votes: 50 65.8%

  • Tank City - Pursue a Lauri trade that nets us a haul and start a true 3-4 year tank

    Votes: 8 10.5%
  • Total voters
    76
Option 4 for me. I love Lauri, but he is the 3rd best player on an championship team. BEST CASE he has a dirk nowitzki type one off championship next to a great guard. But he is not an alpha like dirk was so we need an Alpha type talent and fast. Like, window is probably closing with if we draft that stud next year fast.

I want to see a championship before I am 50. I would take one before I am 60. Get ALL DEM BALLS hire the best talent scouts and pick the next Lebron and let's do this.

3 OKCs 1sts (our 2024, rockets and clips unprotected 2026 are musts) 2 pick swaps with our worst picks for their best, and a couple of rookie/2nd year players. I am all in on that tank. When do you get a chance to trade 3 All Stars for historic hauls? Trade 2 and stay mediocre. Trade 3 and reach legendary status later.
 
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Everyone seems to be pretty sure that Cooper Flagg is a generational talent who's worth tanking for. I think it's a bit early for that. We've only seen him face high school competition, and he seems to have been a bit of an early bloomer.

My main concern is that he doesn't seem to have NBA quickness for his size. It wouldn't matter that much if he was 6'10'' like the BS hype machine says, but he's not... he's 6'8'', like Buzelis. That's a small forward.

I like his game a lot, but some of his success has clearly come from physically dominating high schoolers. He's very long, which is good, but his foot speed is nothing special even at the HS level.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Everyone seems to be pretty sure that Cooper Flagg is a generational talent who's worth tanking for. I think it's a bit early for that. We've only seen him face high school competition, and he seems to have been a bit of an early bloomer.

My main concern is that he doesn't seem to have NBA quickness for his size. It wouldn't matter that much if he was 6'10'' like the BS hype machine says, but he's not... he's 6'8'', like Buzelis. That's a small forward.

I like his game a lot, but some of his success has clearly come from physically dominating high schoolers. He's very long, which is good, but his foot speed is nothing special even at the HS level.
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I think he's definitely 6'9 (at least) and like most 17 year olds could still potentially be growing. Obviously pictures arent perfect, but he's at least the same height as Lebron, if not taller.

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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Maybe the Jazz would if Keyonte weren't one of only two ball movers on the team.
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Not true. Both THT and Dunn can move the ball as well. Racking up more assists on less turnovers. Olynyk is a great ball mover too. Plus even if that was true, George's ball moving skill alone isn't enough to justify him being on the floor, as he's a big negative on all other aspects of the game which result in a negative winshare overall, tie with Luka Shamanic for last place on the team.
 
jom2003 said:
Not true. Both THT and Dunn can move the ball as well. Racking up more assists on less turnovers. Olynyk is a great ball mover too. Plus even if that was true, George's ball moving skill alone isn't enough to justify him being on the floor, as he's a big negative on all other aspects of the game which result in a negative winshare overall, tie with Luka Shamanic for last place on the team.
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Ball moving does not equal assist.

Neither Dunn or THT are ball movers, Kelly is.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Everyone seems to be pretty sure that Cooper Flagg is a generational talent who's worth tanking for. I think it's a bit early for that. We've only seen him face high school competition, and he seems to have been a bit of an early bloomer.

My main concern is that he doesn't seem to have NBA quickness for his size. It wouldn't matter that much if he was 6'10'' like the BS hype machine says, but he's not... he's 6'8'', like Buzelis. That's a small forward.

I like his game a lot, but some of his success has clearly come from physically dominating high schoolers. He's very long, which is good, but his foot speed is nothing special even at the HS level.
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View: https://youtu.be/7RiGVgJOO6o?si=FPews51NNRVZSfZ2

View: https://youtu.be/l4maoiqsmq8?si=mscOal9I42tLtFrI


This guy does some awesome work on breaking down negatives about those elite NBA prospects. Definitely worth watching.

But still pretty excited about the possibility of having Flagg in Utah for the obvious reason
 
jom2003 said:
Thought in the whole JFZ you would be the one to agree on THT being the better ball mover than George?
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No, because he clearly isnt. I'm someone who appreciates THT for the things he can do, not make up stuff and attribute it to him.

THT is nice at drive and kick and seeing passes, but he's still a guy who stops the ball more than he moves it.
 
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