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Handlogten's Heros said:
I understand the frustrations... we did get picks in those deals, so don't ignore that. One of those picks is Rodney Hood.

It was the perfect situation this summer to spend a little... I think the Millers are pulling a cheapskate routine. We are literally right at the salary floor.
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I've pointed this out a few times and get called out for either being negative or a drama queen. Jazz have been 28th for two straight seasons. But to add some quality vets would be 'skipping steps' I'm told.

That's DL ********. Spurs developed Kawhi just fine, as did GS with Draymond. Others integrate young players. You don't have to continue losing to develop quality players. Now yes, if you want to develop DLeaguers into fringe NBA players, then by all means bring in guys like Millsap, Johnson, Ingles, etc. and give them minutes. Because the development of those guys is CRITICAL to competing in the playoffs (sarcasm alert).

The Millers always cared more about the bottom line. Larry H said a couple of times the primary goal was to always operate in the black. I don't see anything different under Greggy and now the Board.

DL is scared off by " overpaying." He bargain hunts. Well, that's a terrific strategy if you want to continue to sign the Bookers and Witheys of the league: decent subs, but won't lift the team to the next level. Even ultra conservative KOC did a better job by signing Boozer, Memo and trading up on draft day for DWill.
 
Interesting how in a team like the Hornets a player earning $4m per year probably makes more in a year than the team's owner.
 
Stifle Tower said:
I've pointed this out a few times and get called out for either being negative or a drama queen.
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That's not the reason people call you that. You take it a bit far. But it's plain dumb reality that the Jazz - as far as anyone can tell that isn't IN the franchise - did little of merit last offseason. Withey was a no-brainer, (29 NBA teams had their shoulders touching their butt cheeks there), but he's also not terribly important either. I'll give them credit for Lyles, that was a roll of the dice.

But that's it. That's where it starts and stops. And none of those moves cost any actual money (salary floor). The cap well will run dry, and when this team is too good to acquire substantial picks, the talent pool might also. This last offseason was a wasted opportunity.

I'm happy the Jazz have their finances in order, but I'm going to keep holding their feet to the fire about whatever it was they were doing instead of doing better to improve the roster last offseason.
 
candrew said:
When have The Jazz ever made significant gains at the trade deadline?

The last net positive I can remember is trading Stevenson for Giricek and getting Gugliotta and The Knick pick (Hayward) in a salary dump by Phoenix. LOL - the latter of which was required to come up to the payroll minimum.

My guess is their "gains" will be getting back Burks and (maybe) Favors for the "playoffs push".
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I agree but after the trade deadline you can call total ******** on their flexibility line. If they use the space to make a lopsided trade and prove me wrong I will apologize( it will be forced, sarcastic, and I won't really mean it though).
 
ONE LOVE said:
Interesting how in a team like the Hornets a player earning $4m per year probably makes more in a year than the team's owner.
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LOL - reminds me of one of my favorite NBA stories - Glenn (Big Dog)Robinson wanted 70 mil guaranteed from the Bucks on his rookie contract. Bucks owner Herb Kohl said - "how about this, I sign the franchise over to you and you guarantee ME 70 million?"
 
Stifle Tower said:
I've pointed this out a few times and get called out for either being negative or a drama queen. Jazz have been 28th for two straight seasons. But to add some quality vets would be 'skipping steps' I'm told.

That's DL ********. Spurs developed Kawhi just fine, as did GS with Draymond. Others integrate young players. You don't have to continue losing to develop quality players. Now yes, if you want to develop DLeaguers into fringe NBA players, then by all means bring in guys like Millsap, Johnson, Ingles, etc. and give them minutes. Because the development of those guys is CRITICAL to competing in the playoffs (sarcasm alert).

The Millers always cared more about the bottom line. Larry H said a couple of times the primary goal was to always operate in the black. I don't see anything different under Greggy and now the Board.

DL is scared off by " overpaying." He bargain hunts. Well, that's a terrific strategy if you want to continue to sign the Bookers and Witheys of the league: decent subs, but won't lift the team to the next level. Even ultra conservative KOC did a better job by signing Boozer, Memo and trading up on draft day for DWill.
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We aren't just bargain hunting... We are shopping at the clearance rack at DI.

Bargain hunting would have netted a Lin, Casspi, Jerebko. We are trying to develop Neto and tibor who might be good backups some day... We can find decent backups in FA by spending a fair amount... Nothing crazy. Those contracts all turn in to assets and can be moved... Just worries me a bit on the ownership front that we are operating profitably at the bottom of the cap. Porty is lower but they signed guys. Bet they could get a late first rounder and expiring a for aminu if they wanted to. I hope I'm wrong and they wanted 40 games to assess things... But it is more likely we are taking in the cash and then saying bakk cakes, flexibility, development, continuity, (insert jargon phrase that says nothing but sounds like something).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
We aren't just bargain hunting... We are shopping at the clearance rack at DI.

Bargain hunting would have netted a Lin, Casspi, Jerebko. We are trying to develop Neto and tibor who might be good backups some day... We can find decent backups in FA by spending a fair amount... Nothing crazy. Those contracts all turn in to assets and can be moved... Just worries me a bit on the ownership front that we are operating profitably at the bottom of the cap. Porty is lower but they signed guys. Bet they could get a late first rounder and expiring a for aminu if they wanted to. I hope I'm wrong and they wanted 40 games to assess things... But it is more likely we are taking in the cash and then saying bakk cakes, flexibility, development, continuity, (insert jargon phrase that says nothing but sounds like something).
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dude! keep going!!
 
To anybody who wants to point to the acquisition of the Idaho Stampede as evidence that the Millers haven't been cheap: please consider how the deep end of our bench is stocked by absolutely replaceable guys on minimum, non-guaranteed salaries; next, consider how the vast majority of owners are paying those spots significantly more; now, do the math. And now, consider how the Idaho Stampede could be a machine for continually stocking us with multiple, easily replaceable players.
 
NAOS said:
To anybody who wants to point to the acquisition of the Idaho Stampede as evidence that the Millers haven't been cheap: please consider how the deep end of our bench is stocked by absolutely replaceable guys on minimum, non-guaranteed salaries; next, consider how the vast majority of owners are paying those spots significantly more; now, do the math. And now, consider how the Idaho Stampede could be a machine for continually stocking us with multiple, easily replaceable players.
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I do think they've put money in development but that money versus the other money is likely apples to oranges. I also think we are developing the wrong types of guys... We need less JJ o Briens and more Christian wood types. Treat it like startup tech stocks... Go for home runs. Home runs are guys like Tyler Johnson, whiteside, Covington....
 
So I guess the Millers are happy to stay at the salary floor and put the Buss' money in their pockets. It didn't look like those numbers included revenue sharing. The 90 million dollar salary cap should pay off nicely for the Millers next season.
 
♪alt13 said:
So I guess the Millers are happy to stay at the salary floor and put the Buss' money in their pockets. It didn't look like those numbers included revenue sharing. The 90 million dollar salary cap should pay off nicely for the Millers next season.
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I'd love to see the actual Financials and tax returns. I think it is likely much higher than what Forbes says. I know Larry said we have to operate at a profit but he also liked the Jazz a lot. I'm not sure I see that out of Greg.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I do think they've put money in development but that money versus the other money is likely apples to oranges. I also think we are developing the wrong types of guys... We need less JJ o Briens and more Christian wood types. Treat it like startup tech stocks... Go for home runs. Home runs are guys like Tyler Johnson, whiteside, Covington....
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They have indeed put money into development. But the type of gains they expect from that investment are an open question. My suspicions have been growing.
 
Does anyone remember Gregs speach at the beginning of the 2009 or 2010 season when he said sonething like "The Jazz will remain in Utah as long as the fans deserve it."

The entire speech was creepy.
 
NAOS said:
They have indeed put money into development. But the type of gains they expect from that investment are an open question. My suspicions have been growing.
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Right. They are also cheap investments and can be fired tomorrow in the case of development staff. The stampede actually might be a decent deal as salaries are low and the NBA is talking about beefing up this program.
 
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