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candrew

candrew

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https://www.forbes.com/nba-valuations/list/#header:operatingIncome_sortreverse:true

Jazz are 9th in the NBA in Operating Income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization)

When you look at the 8 teams in front of them - all of which are in major/mega-markets with the exception of San Antonio, who have won multiple championships in the past 15 years - I would say this is a major financial accomplishment.

This is what happens when you have a monopoly on professional sports in your state, a loyal fan base and are 28th in payroll.

Of course as far as wins on the basketball court are concerned.....that's looking more and more like a secondary matter.
 
candrew said:
https://www.forbes.com/nba-valuations/list/#header:operatingIncome_sortreverse:true

Jazz are 9th in the NBA in Operating Income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization)

When you look at the 8 teams in front of them - all of which are in major/mega-markets with the exception of San Antonio, who have won multiple championships in the past 15 years - I would say this is a major financial accomplishment.

This is what happens when you have a monopoly on professional sports in your state, a loyal fan base and are 28th in payroll.

Of course as far as wins on the basketball court are concerned.....that's looking more and more like a secondary matter.
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Winning dat balance sheet battle like a boss... If we don't add salary at the trade deadline I am in 100 percent agreement here. We are right at the floor and have the assets and flexibility and need to add something.
 
vegas said:
Disagree here
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Please explain. I don't know how you can disagree, it seems pretty obvious to me that the Jazz aren't interested in competing. They keep selling this line of "rebuilding" and "patience" (5 years now!) but if they would have gone after a decent point guard after Dante got injured, we'd be in the playoff mix right now.

Three years ago DL came on board and he kept talking about how KOC put the Jazz in a fantastic financial situation. How the Jazz had assets, flexibility and options. Last year a new TV deal was signed and all of a sudden the Jazz's financial flexibility meant nothing. It was a big time lie.

Since coming to the Jazz, Dennis Lindsey has helped create two championship caliber teams-- the Warriors and the Thunder. For some reason he took on Kendrick Perkins salary last year and then dumped him. And can someone explain to me how we benefited from the Biedrins/Rush/Jefferson trade? All that did was free up a lot of money for the Warriors and allow them the financial flexibility they needed to keep their team in place.

I've drank most of the Kool-aid the Jazz marketing has offered in the past 10 years, but I'm starting to get sick of it. In one year we lose Hayward, if DL doesn't make a move soon I'm moving on too.
 
JFFR said:
Please explain. I don't know how you can disagree, it seems pretty obvious to me that the Jazz aren't interested in competing. They keep selling this line of "rebuilding" and "patience" (5 years now!) but if they would have gone after a decent point guard after Dante got injured, we'd be in the playoff mix right now.

Three years ago DL came on board and he kept talking about how KOC put the Jazz in a fantastic financial situation. How the Jazz had assets, flexibility and options. Last year a new TV deal was signed and all of a sudden the Jazz's financial flexibility meant nothing. It was a big time lie.

Since coming to the Jazz, Dennis Lindsey has helped create two championship caliber teams-- the Warriors and the Thunder. For some reason he took on Kendrick Perkins salary last year and then dumped him. And can someone explain to me how we benefited from the Biedrins/Rush/Jefferson trade? All that did was free up a lot of money for the Warriors and allow them the financial flexibility they needed to keep their team in place.

I've drank most of the Kool-aid the Jazz marketing has offered in the past 10 years, but I'm starting to get sick of it. In one year we lose Hayward, if DL doesn't make a move soon I'm moving on too.
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I understand the frustrations... we did get picks in those deals, so don't ignore that. One of those picks is Rodney Hood.

It was the perfect situation this summer to spend a little... I think the Millers are pulling a cheapskate routine. We are literally right at the salary floor.
 
fishonjazz said:
Tbh, we are currently in the playoff mix right now
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If we replaced Neto's minutes or the CJ/Millsap(RIP)/Booker minutes with someone good think where we'd be. There were so many guys we could have had by spending just up to the cap. Those guys are now assets for their teams.

Because we don't have a mega star we can' afford to have terrible players as fixtures in the rotation. Those are problems that could have been fixed pretty easily.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If we replaced Neto's minutes or the CJ/Millsap(RIP)/Booker minutes with someone good think where we'd be. There were so many guys we could have had by spending just up to the cap. Those guys are now assets for their teams.

Because we don't have a mega star we can' afford to have terrible players as fixtures in the rotation. Those are problems that could have been fixed pretty easily.
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I agree

I was just pointing out to that poster that we are in fact currently in the playoff mix since he seemed to be insinuating that were are not
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree

I was just pointing out to that poster that we are in fact currently in the playoff mix since he seemed to be insinuating that were are not
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True - but The Jazz are in the playoff mix because the WC is a joke this year and because they have an above average coach.

Let's face it, as mediocre as their record is, Jazz are out-classed talent wise almost every single night.

QS has done more with less than any coach I've ever seen since Jerry Sloan in 2004
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree

I was just pointing out to that poster that we are in fact currently in the playoff mix since he seemed to be insinuating that were are not
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You are right. In my mind I meant to say we'd be competing for the 4-6 seed, but for some reason didn't write that.
 
JFFR said:
You are right. In my mind I meant to say we'd be competing for the 4-6 seed, but for some reason didn't write that.
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True
 
JFFR said:
Please explain. I don't know how you can disagree, it seems pretty obvious to me that the Jazz aren't interested in competing. They keep selling this line of "rebuilding" and "patience" (5 years now!) but if they would have gone after a decent point guard after Dante got injured, we'd be in the playoff mix right now.

Three years ago DL came on board and he kept talking about how KOC put the Jazz in a fantastic financial situation. How the Jazz had assets, flexibility and options. Last year a new TV deal was signed and all of a sudden the Jazz's financial flexibility meant nothing. It was a big time lie.

Since coming to the Jazz, Dennis Lindsey has helped create two championship caliber teams-- the Warriors and the Thunder. For some reason he took on Kendrick Perkins salary last year and then dumped him. And can someone explain to me how we benefited from the Biedrins/Rush/Jefferson trade? All that did was free up a lot of money for the Warriors and allow them the financial flexibility they needed to keep their team in place.

I've drank most of the Kool-aid the Jazz marketing has offered in the past 10 years, but I'm starting to get sick of it. In one year we lose Hayward, if DL doesn't make a move soon I'm moving on too.
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I see where the counter argument comes from. I disagree because I don't think the following are consistent:
  • Losing $16 mil and $3.9 mil in 2011 & 12 To put this in Perspective, only Brooklyn is slated to lose money this year. (-5.7 mil)
  • Throwing away $1 mil by waiving grant Jerrett to make a bottom of the roster addition that has yielded Jeff Withey who only had 200k guaranteed at the time.
  • Occasionally drafting non-consensus players such as Lyles and Hayward.
  • Purchasing a D-league team in Idaho. (not supposed to be a great business venture.)
If the Jazz weren't making money this thread would be about why the Miller's don't care and will be shipping the team to Vegas.
 
vegas said:
I see where the counter argument comes from. I disagree because I don't think the following are consistent:
  • Losing $16 mil and $3.9 mil in 2011 & 12 To put this in Perspective, only Brooklyn is slated to lose money this year. (-5.7 mil)
  • Throwing away $1 mil by waiving grant Jerrett to make a bottom of the roster addition that has yielded Jeff Withey who only had 200k guaranteed at the time.
  • Occasionally drafting non-consensus players such as Lyles and Hayward.
  • Purchasing a D-league team in Idaho. (not supposed to be a great business venture.)
If the Jazz weren't making money this thread would be about why the Miller's don't care and will be shipping the team to Vegas.
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selfish, wishful thinking on your part. I see.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Winning dat balance sheet battle like a boss... If we don't add salary at the trade deadline I am in 100 percent agreement here. We are right at the floor and have the assets and flexibility and need to add something.
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When have The Jazz ever made significant gains at the trade deadline?

The last net positive I can remember is trading Stevenson for Giricek and getting Gugliotta and The Knick pick (Hayward) in a salary dump by Phoenix. LOL - the latter of which was required to come up to the payroll minimum.

My guess is their "gains" will be getting back Burks and (maybe) Favors for the "playoffs push".
 
Sports is always at least 90% misery. The Patriots and Spurs have been the outliers, having pushed that percentage all the way back to around 70%. Helmet catches and Ray Allen 3-pointers are still deep scars, even though they are surrounded by mirth. The Jazz have been able to push that percentage above 95% -- mostly by deftly capitalizing on a luck-filled run to the WCF almost 10 years ago. Milk that, mmmm, cuz we all still believe enough. Teats aint dry yet.
 
candrew said:
QS has done more with less than any coach I've ever seen since Jerry Sloan in 2004
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I agree with this! Kirilenko played the All-Star game that year....Hayward or Favors had the chance to be selected this season but they didn't take the opportunity.
 
The Death Knell might have come when the Millers decided to expand in every direction within the "Entertainment" sector. They're getting a good slice of the local dollars spent, whether you're going to the games or maybe not even invested in the jazz in any way. This has gotten to lessen the oomph to put more into the Jazz, on every scale. Maybe they'll find that oomph in a specific passion for basketball, and get the right people in here, and maybe they won't. It also means our ownership is so owned by cars and Entertainment, that slumps in the economy will hit them harder than most.

Just thoughts. Pessimistic ones.
 
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