These Jazz Practices Are Making Me Excited.

[Joe Bagadonuts]

^Millsap had obviously added a three point game while he was still with us. Corbin just never greenlighted him to play that way.

Your comment about the Jazz being better under Corbin than the Hawks last season makes no sense.

 

[Stoked]

Agreed, but:

1. It is going to be fun to see if there is much more talent in this group than we could see under Corbin. How bad was Corbin vs how good is quin? I certainly hope to see considerable improvement among them individually and as a team. Could mean another 5 wins for each of those = 35 wins? that might be too high because the improvements that Quin can bring might take some time to take hold.

2. Hard to see us compete under even the most favorable outlook with someone like Cleveland with LBJ, Kyrie, and Love. Yikes.

Jazz beat Miami last year. Just saying...

 

[GVC]

Your comment about the Jazz being better under Corbin than the Hawks last season makes no sense.

It was a bit of a throw-away comment, but the Jazz had a better roster than the Hawks had for most of last season, so Millsap wasn't required to do as much on the court. As such, it makes sense that Millsap's raw numbers improved in Atlanta. Still, even though this was the case, Millsap's stats/impact weren't significantly different last season than they were under Corbin.

 

[Stoked]

I'm breaking down the schedule currently and I'm seeing 82 wins. So who do you have us losing to? Trap game to the TWolves?

A respectful nod to Hornacek. The Jazz let him have a game in Utah as a thank you for playing here and coachign here.

 

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1. I think it's fair to say that the quality of their play was last season was easily in the same ball park as it was under Corbin. Millsap was used differently, sure, but much of that is due to roster differences. The Jazz were better under Corbin than the Hawks were last season.

2. Even if they did improve, it's awfully tough to disentangle the effect of the coaching change from improvements made by the player in the offseason independent of coaching. Millsap in particular has added little things to his game every offseason.

I've just noticed this sentiment a lot on this board, and don't think it's accurate. I get that people want to believe that the young players remaining on the team was held back by Corbin, and that their elite talent will finally present itself now that Ty is gone, but I think it's just wishful thinking. The Jazz still need a lot more talent.

Surf through my last 10 posts and you'll see that I mostly agree with you.

I will disagree some about Millsap. I think he looked noticeably better under Budenholzer. Most of the reasons I'd give to support this are eye-testers. I'd also say that Corbin's jazz teams were more talented than that Hawks team (sans Horford), but that's a pissing contest type of argument.

 

[GVC]

Surf through my last 10 posts and you'll see that I mostly agree with you.

No need. I was responding to someone else, and the frequent scape-goating and wishful thinking attached to Corbin and his departure.

 

[fishonjazz]

I've just noticed this sentiment a lot on this board, and don't think it's accurate. I get that people want to believe that the young players remaining on the team was held back by Corbin, and that their elite talent will finally present itself now that Ty is gone, but I think it's just wishful thinking. The Jazz still need a lot more talent.

I guess we will see if the jazz win more or less games this year than last.

 

[Stoked]

I don't think they will all suddenly be superstars but I do expect noticeable improvement under Q.

 

[oldtimer]

I think more people are excited about the brand of basketball. No more pass to the post and hold for 15 seconds. Constant ball movement is exciting.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I don't think they will all suddenly be superstars but I do expect noticeable improvement under Q.

Exactly. I still think the Jazz - even with player development - will need to make a trade or two to upgrade at certain positions. Kind of like finally getting Hornacek at SG. The key is having decent depth and enough draft picks to offer.

Still too early to tell which players can be part of a contending core going forward. I think any of the "core-8" Utah has right now could be key rotation guys.

 

[b_line]

No need. I was responding to someone else, and the frequent scape-goating and wishful thinking attached to Corbin and his departure.

Another thing that will add to the scape-goat talk this year is that a lot of our players will have inflated numbers due to the fact that we are going to have a lot more possessions than last year. I imagine the team under quin will play super fast like d'antoni teams, but add in defense.

If hayward comes out and averages 20, 6 and 6, he might only be slightly improved, but will look a ton better just because of the higher averages. Same with alec. I don't think we have superstar talent (possibly excluding Dante) on this team yet, but they might look really good in Quins system.

 

[Doublea]

Another thing that will add to the scape-goat talk this year is that a lot of our players will have inflated numbers due to the fact that we are going to have a lot more possessions than last year. I imagine the team under quin will play super fast like d'antoni teams, but add in defense.

If hayward comes out and averages 20, 6 and 6, he might only be slightly improved, but will look a ton better just because of the higher averages. Same with alec. I don't think we have superstar talent (possibly excluding Dante) on this team yet, but they might look really good in Quins system.

So you're saying we might put up good numbers, but lose still?