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No I was simply talking about tanking. I was also talking about trading away all stars and then tanking. You think we can tank with gobert and donovan? What teams traded away their all stars for a total rebuild and then tanked and then won a championship within, say, 7 years later? Give me a list.
Again, you're adding all of these caveats and it's really drifting from the point that the best and most reliable talent is found most often at the top of the draft. As important as the part where the Jazz are obviously all the way broken, they don't have ways to improve their talent in the near future. This team will just get worse and more checked out.

We're probably talking more about taste at this point. I'd rather take a few years of being bad in order to have a better chance of getting back to being good and have a cupboard of assets as they improve than watch this bloated team that no one likes flail for the next two or three years while we have to endure Donovan rumors and then be bad. I would rather skip the garbage of the latter. Of course, maybe the Jazz just... get... better somehow? And the locker room/culture problems vanish with enough tinkering (again, with basically no tradable sweeteners)? I wouldn't bet on that.
 
Again, you're adding all of these caveats and it's really drifting from the point that the best and most reliable talent is found most often at the top of the draft. As important as the part where the Jazz are obviously all the way broken, they don't have ways to improve their talent in the near future. This team will just get worse and more checked out.

We're probably talking more about taste at this point, but I'd rather take a few years of misery to have a better chance of getting back to being good and hope to get better with time than watch this bloated team that no one likes flail for the next two or three years while we have to endure Donovan rumors and then be bad. I would rather skip that garbage.
Im not talking about caveats. Im talking about what the jazz would need to do (trade gobert and mitchell and do a full rebuild and tank) and if any team had ever gone the assumed jazz route to a title. Has a really really good team ever traded away a couple all stars in their primes on long term deals for a full rebuild and then tanked and then won a title? That is what the jazz would be doing so it seems relevant to see if its ever been done and worked before.
 
I was simply pointing out that those who want to trade rudy and donovan for a bunch of picks and young players and tank will likely be disappointed as it almost certainly wont lead to a championship. Im not even saying im against that plan. Just saying that the best way to win a championship is to have a really good team with some all star players and then make that team better.
Okay, that's well and good. But how do they get better.
 
There's no doubt in my mind that this is the most awful team to watch/be a fan of for me. No team loses in a more disappointing and humiliating way and the way they respond to such failures is embarrassing.

Give me a break. We’re in the ****ing playoffs stop crying.
 
Im not talking about caveats. Im talking about what the jazz would need to do (trade gobert and mitchell and do a full rebuild and tank) and if any team had ever gone the assumed jazz route to a title. Has a really really good team ever traded away a couple all stars in their primes on long term deals for a full rebuild and then tanked and then won a title? That is what the jazz would be doing so it seems relevant to see if its ever been done and worked before.
I mean, when a team is winning they are making more money than if they were losing and ownership is usually more interested in keeping that going.
 
Thats the other thing. We all know that hard core tanking always results in championships. Just look at all these examples:


The ONLY thing complete rebuilds and tanking ensures is that your team will suck really bad for quite a while and you will get good draft picks


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I think it actually means you will get low draft picks. How good they are depends on how lucky we are. "Do you feel lucky punk"?
 
Give me a break. We’re in the ****ing playoffs stop crying.

Nothing worse than a team who grossly underperforms and humiliated themselves in the playoffs time and time again. They are the laughingstock of the league for how horribly they blow leads and squander playoff opportunities. They show more passion arguing with the media than actually competing on the court. The team is full of mentally weak players who don’t compete and coach who would rather embarrass himself than adjust.

If they were just garbage that would be one thing. But this group is just a bunch of whiny entitles divas who haven’t won anything. They were even giving out cheap shots last night while getting blasted. Embarrassing performance that is typical of this group.
 
Nothing worse than a team who grossly underperforms and humiliated themselves in the playoffs time and time again. They are the laughingstock of the league for how horribly they blow leads and squander playoff opportunities. They show more passion arguing with the media than actually competing on the court. The team is full of mentally weak players who don’t compete and coach who would rather embarrass himself than adjust.
I definitely think there's something to be said for being a ****-show on this stage and to this degree. It is embarrassing.
 
I definitely think there's something to be said for being a ****-show on this stage and to this degree. It is embarrassing.

We were joking about how bad they could possibly embarrass themselves after blowing multiple big leads to close the season. Losing to the Mavericks without Luka is a fitting, humiliating end to this version of the Jazz. They had the potential to win a championship but couldn’t get out of their own way. Golden opportunity thrown in the can.
 
I definitely think there's something to be said for being a ****-show on this stage and to this degree. It is embarrassing.
I can get down with that. What is happening right now in this series sucks donkey dick
 
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