If the other video never surfaced then the media wouldn't have other info to go on... like do you think the media always has perfect info and just tells us what they want?
This made me kinda sad today...
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Hotdog
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No. But this situation is different than just random stories dont you think? Considering everything that is going on? With the political climate we are in. What about this being a kid? Does the media not know the impact they have? Do you really think they are oblivious to what doxing is? Shouldn't the media be a little more responsible, a little more patient? Its completely reckless to hurrying and run with a story like that with very little evidence. Why even run it if you have little evidence and nothing even really happened? Since when is it news that two people stood face to face? They didnt even bother asking the kid did they? Did they give him an interview and chance to tell his story? How in the hell did they even get an interview with Nathan so quickly anyways?
Seriously though, why didnt the kid get a chance to tell his side, at the same time Nathan did, before they ran with the story?
DutchJazzer
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the media and the left have jumped the shark!
first they disrespect the 11 dead in the synagogue by blaming trump. now they want these kids doxed and violence used against them and their parents!
they have no shred of decency and honesty.
cnn, abc, msnbc, verge vox, buzzfeed new york times wapo wsj! they can all go to hell for all i care.
no morals no principles just evil ****ing socialist!
ps twitter supsended some of the maga kids(unless it where fake acounts and suspended for being fake, dont have absolute proof ofcourse)
but twitter refuses to suspend left wing punk *** bitches who openly doxed and called for violence. DOUBLE STANDARD
DutchJazzer
Banned
lol 1984 is coming through orwell just had the date wrong.
now that all the facts have come out, left wing ****ers like thriller and far left POS now fabricate face crime. the kid committed a FACE CRIME so now he must be severely punished!
now that all the facts have come out, left wing ****ers like thriller and far left POS now fabricate face crime. the kid committed a FACE CRIME so now he must be severely punished!
DutchJazzer
Banned
also twitter, youtube and facebook are cracking down on fake news right! so when will they ban the accoutns of every single media outlet who participated int his.
they wont!
lolz
dont get me wrong, i dont want them to be gatekeepers on fakenews. but if they do it to one they also need to do it to the news outlets who participated in this FAKE NEWS! or unban the previously banned once
they wont!
lolz
dont get me wrong, i dont want them to be gatekeepers on fakenews. but if they do it to one they also need to do it to the news outlets who participated in this FAKE NEWS! or unban the previously banned once
I agree with you in this instance. I wish you were willing to dwell in reality more often, not only when it suited your narrative.
Red
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We could be like some, miss the point entirely, and just rage about evil media, and socialism, always the socialism, lol. You know, we could make complete jackasses out of ourselves, compose comments in such a way that the image of the poster that most readily emerges is that of a deranged, foaming at the mouth, lunatic.
Or, we could try to take an intelligent, deliberate, composed look at the root of some misunderstandings in a hyper partisan society. We could see if we can learn something here about how information travels in a hyper partisan climate, via viral videos.
For instance, Here's a good essay from the Atlantic, which suggests we stop trusting said viral videos. In this instance, by looking at the difference editing makes, rather then an endless search for truth through focusing strictly on the content of those videos.
This is a pretty thoughtful essay. We all have our style. I favor thoughtful over 4Chan nutjob. I'm glad most posters here do as well. Whatever side of our present political disorder one finds oneself, we can learn things that otherwise might have escaped our awareness. That's what I'm looking for, and this essay helped.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...udents-and-native-americans-explained/580906/
"To understand just how susceptible images like this are to total reinterpretation, consider an alternative scenario. Imagine that instead of standing silently and seemingly smug, the teen had maintained a neutral countenance and then removed his maga hat from his head. Such an act would have been interpreted, almost universally, as a gesture of meekness and respect. Some would have overinterpreted it, no doubt, taking it as a sign that the student had shed not just the cap, a symbol of Trumpism, but all the ideologies bound up in that symbolic garment. And this interpretation would have cohered and spread no matter whether Sandmann really meant any of it or not. (I pointed out a similar feature in the Jim Acosta White House video, in which a small shift in the position of a camera could utterly change the apparent meaning of the resulting images.) The entire tenor of the viral moment would have flipped, and the students likely would have enjoyed being portrayed as meek heroes representing the tolerant promise of American youth.
Consider a change in framing or editing instead: Had the original clip been shot from the reverse angle, showing Sandmann and his classmates from the back, his maga hat visible but not his smirk, the meaning of the situation would have also changed. No longer does the student represent the worst stereotype of white intolerance, but now he becomes a mere prop for Phillips, whose drumming reads as both pacifist in its delivery and reception. My point is not to apologize for the students’ behavior, or even to explain it, but to underscore how a slightly different video might have convinced the very same viewers who censured the Covington Catholic students to reach exactly the opposite conclusion."
Or, we could try to take an intelligent, deliberate, composed look at the root of some misunderstandings in a hyper partisan society. We could see if we can learn something here about how information travels in a hyper partisan climate, via viral videos.
For instance, Here's a good essay from the Atlantic, which suggests we stop trusting said viral videos. In this instance, by looking at the difference editing makes, rather then an endless search for truth through focusing strictly on the content of those videos.
This is a pretty thoughtful essay. We all have our style. I favor thoughtful over 4Chan nutjob. I'm glad most posters here do as well. Whatever side of our present political disorder one finds oneself, we can learn things that otherwise might have escaped our awareness. That's what I'm looking for, and this essay helped.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...udents-and-native-americans-explained/580906/
"To understand just how susceptible images like this are to total reinterpretation, consider an alternative scenario. Imagine that instead of standing silently and seemingly smug, the teen had maintained a neutral countenance and then removed his maga hat from his head. Such an act would have been interpreted, almost universally, as a gesture of meekness and respect. Some would have overinterpreted it, no doubt, taking it as a sign that the student had shed not just the cap, a symbol of Trumpism, but all the ideologies bound up in that symbolic garment. And this interpretation would have cohered and spread no matter whether Sandmann really meant any of it or not. (I pointed out a similar feature in the Jim Acosta White House video, in which a small shift in the position of a camera could utterly change the apparent meaning of the resulting images.) The entire tenor of the viral moment would have flipped, and the students likely would have enjoyed being portrayed as meek heroes representing the tolerant promise of American youth.
Consider a change in framing or editing instead: Had the original clip been shot from the reverse angle, showing Sandmann and his classmates from the back, his maga hat visible but not his smirk, the meaning of the situation would have also changed. No longer does the student represent the worst stereotype of white intolerance, but now he becomes a mere prop for Phillips, whose drumming reads as both pacifist in its delivery and reception. My point is not to apologize for the students’ behavior, or even to explain it, but to underscore how a slightly different video might have convinced the very same viewers who censured the Covington Catholic students to reach exactly the opposite conclusion."
It also reminded me somewhat of this. It's specifically talking about police body cams, but still has some relevance:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/01/us/police-bodycam-video.html
Hotdog
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Well, I'll be damned. Finally some sanity. This might be the event that gets the pendulum to start swinging back the other way. The next thing twitter needs to do if they want to earn people's trust fully is go after the people who were calling for these kid's heads. I thought inciting violence was against the rules too.
Hotdog
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One of the things that still gets me about this is the speed of which they got an interview with Nathan Phillips. It felt like it was almost immediately after it happened . Its like as soon as that video hit twitter, CNN or whoever gave the original interview had someone on a plane to find him as quick as they could. Or Nathan was on the phone calling them.
Red
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