This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[Stifle Tower]

I feel like stepping up and reminding you that we are one single miracle shot from fully vindicating Ty Corbin. He might have been the best coach we ever had and we just didn't know how good we had it. This season is going to suck!

Who's that famous coach who used to say, "it's just one game?" Ty may yet be vindicated. It's a long way to 25 wins. Besides, is there any doubt Corbin could have had the same kind of internal improvement so many of the players have shown?

 

[Getting Traded]

I feel like stepping up and reminding you that we are one single miracle shot from fully vindicating Ty Corbin. He might have been the best coach we ever had and we just didn't know how good we had it. This season is going to suck!

Either you're just dumb or playing me. This is the kind of stuff I hate about the message boards. People don't talk about real Jazz stuff; they just bicker with each other. Who cares about Corbin. He's gone, gone, gone.

 

[addictionary]

Hey eenie, what needs to be backed up here? Your rep made no sense.

You are too cool not to rep. What's not to get?

 

[addictionary]

So....a neg rep to get someone to be more "positive".

Umm....

He negged you? Damn man I ****ed up.

 

[addictionary]

I never understood the mindless "fire Corbin" crap. I liked it when people would give actual reasons as to why they didn't want to have Corbin around.

I didn't like Corbin for this iteration of the Jazz. These are the reasons I did not like him:

1. The team very clearly was suited to play a much faster game, both on offense and defense, and Corbin tried to slow the game down from the point guard on up to the big men. He wanted to use Favors in the post, where he was not suited well, and Hayward would stand on the wings and watch. Its seemed as though Corbin thought he had a system that would work no matter the personnel. That was not the case. He will probably learn to tailor his system to the players in the future, but he did not do that well in Utah.

2. The preferential treatment of veterans. This is a subject that a lot of people on this board took way overboard. It was a problem, but it was overblown. I didn't mind Marvin. I thought RJ should have played less, and I always thought we should invest more of the time in Favors. It was a problem with Corbin, but the young guys developed well considering the circumstances.

3. Lindsay has a plan for the organization, and it was not clear if Corbin agreed with it. In the NBA, it seems as though the whole organization needs to buy in to the plan of the front office to be successful. GM's need their guy as the coach to lead the team they assemble.

Isn't this saying I didn't like Ty for x reasons, but I've never understand those people that didn't like him for x reasons?

 

[VINYLONE]

What? No coach in their right mind would have played Gobert much more last season. Combine that with the fact that the team has stank while Gobert has been on the floor this season... you just proved the opposite of what you set out to do.

You're completely correct. 100%.

It's a long season and while I thnk Mr. Snyder is light years ahead of Corbin, I think I'm going to take a slow and reaosonable approach to this debate.

 

[freakazoid]

I'm not sure i'd call a record of 31W/23L (.575 --> 47 wins full season) "wheels coming off"....

Somebody check this guy for his Jazz card. I smell an imposter/spy.
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-Hall of fame coach of 20+ years walks out of the middle of the game in the middle of the season.
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-Star player ends up traded.
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-Rebuild begins, despite state of denial.
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-Entire Jazz world turned upside down.
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But yeah, our record wasn't...Are you ****ing kidding me?

 

[moevillini]

dem wheels fallin' off is Corbin's fault, too.

more or less i think it was the sudden lack of star power, system, respect, and caring among the remaining/new players upon Jerry's and Deron's departures

ok, I'll beat this dead horse one more time...

don't underestimate the value of team chemistry and comraderie.


I think that was something that's been missing since about 2009/2010 - this is strictly anecdotal, but from several years of following twitter and instagram, it seems there were (and still are) close friendships among D-Will, D-Fish, Ronnie Price, Carlos Boozer, Andre Kirilenko, Kyle Korver and Okur - - and their wives and families are close too. Even being on different teams, they have socialized and even vacationed together over the years.

looks like Deron's wife was sitting with Fisher's wife at last night's Nets/Knicks game

https://instagram.com/p/vH0aWrjQMI/?modal=true

so whether or not you want to say Deron is/was a spoiled brat or coach killer or whatever, I'm not sure that level of friendship and trust among Jazz teammates was around during the years 2010/2013 - - and I think it contributed to the relative success the team had in seasons 2007/2010 - - hopefully it's coming back now...

 

[One Brow]

Who's that famous coach who used to say, "it's just one game?" Ty may yet be vindicated. It's a long way to 25 wins. Besides, is there any doubt Corbin could have had the same kind of internal improvement so many of the players have shown?

Are you saying that Snyder did not do more developing in 5 weeks than Corbin did in 3 years? Blasphemy!

 

[jope]

Somebody check this guy for his Jazz card. I smell an imposter/spy.
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-Hall of fame coach of 20+ years walks out of the middle of the game in the middle of the season.
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-Star player ends up traded.
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-Rebuild begins, despite state of denial.
-
-Entire Jazz world turned upside down.
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But yeah, our record wasn't...Are you ****ing kidding me?

The original statement was that Jerry's coaching may or may not have contributed to the 'wheels calling off'. I never once questioned the after effects of him leaving mid season. Just saying that judging by his coaching alone before he quit, that the team want in shambles... Calm down there ese.

 

[freakazoid]

The original statement was that Jerry's coaching may or may not have contributed to the 'wheels calling off'. I never once questioned the after effects of him leaving mid season. Just saying that judging by his coaching alone before he quit, that the team want in shambles... Calm down there ese.

Let me see if I get this straight. You think everything was just peachy right up to the moment Jerry quit? The team absolutely imploded, and somehow Jerry had absolutely no responsibility in that, but people constantly want to bring up a season in which Jerry coached us to ok instead of crappy, as if it's some great accomplishment.
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Jerry Sloan was a great coach at a time, and IMO, not only are some people ignoring the half of the story they don't like, they are tarnishing Jerry's legacy by continuing to use a mediocre season as the measuring stick for what kind of a coach he was. Jerry would most likely **** himself laughing, if he knew fans routinely use that particular season as an example of his coaching ability.

 

[moevillini]

more or less i think it was the sudden lack of star power, system, respect, and caring among the remaining/new players upon Jerry's and Deron's departures

Let me see if I get this straight. You think everything was just peachy right up to the moment Jerry quit? The team absolutely imploded, and somehow Jerry had absolutely no responsibility in that, but people constantly want to bring up a season in which Jerry coached us to ok instead of crappy, as if it's some great accomplishment.
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Jerry Sloan was a great coach at a time, and IMO, not only are some people ignoring the half of the story they don't like, they are tarnishing Jerry's legacy by continuing to use a mediocre season as the measuring stick for what kind of a coach he was. Jerry would most likely **** himself laughing, if he knew fans routinely use that particular season as an example of his coaching ability.

he was either ham-strung or hog-tied

or maybe both