Through Jesus, I am defined by being God's child.

[porqsmith]

Let me explain it in a way so someone intentionally trying to not understand will inadvertantly understand.

First of all there are many levels of Faith.
To have Faith, you hope for things which are unseen, which are true.
To Believe in something, it implies there is some level of trust, which is beyond a basic faith or hope that something is true.

You have to understand the words fully, before you try to marginalize the meaning of them.

Wait, what?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Wait, what?

Just go with the middle 3 lines.
Which part are you having trouble with and I will try to clarify if possible.

 

[porqsmith]

First of all there are many levels of Faith.
To have Faith, you hope for things which are unseen, which are true.
To Believe in something, it implies there is some level of trust, which is beyond a basic faith or hope that something is true.

1st line: OK
2nd line: Did you mean "which are true" or "to be true"?
3rd line: Please just reword this whole sentence.

 

[VINYLONE]

Let me explain it in a way so someone intentionally trying to not understand will inadvertantly understand.

First of all there are many levels of Faith.
To have Faith, you hope for things which are unseen, which are true.
To Believe in something, it implies there is some level of trust, which is beyond a basic faith or hope that something is true.

You have to understand the words fully, before you try to marginalize the meaning of them.

I have faith and belief in humanity. I have faith that we are all good people and that most of us want whats best for our families and friends. Regardless of the war and famine that is out there, I believe that there are good people everywhere and that when met with a hard decision they will decide whats right.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

1st line: OK
2nd line: Did you mean "which are true" or "to be true"?
3rd line: Please just reword this whole sentence.

First of all sorry for being a jerk in my earlier posts, it seemed like you were just messing with me.

2nd line - I meant which are true. Faith is to hope for things which are not seen, which are true. The thing hoped for must be true in order for it to be Faith, otherwise it is a hope grounded on nothing.

3rd line - Faith and Hope are more basic than a Belief. Belief is a more advanced level of Faith and Hope. So Faith and Hope if worked on and allowed to grow, can grow into Belief.

Did I explain my thoughts ok, or am I still not wording it in a good way?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I have faith and belief in humanity. I have faith that we are all good people and that most of us want whats best for our families and friends. Regardless of the war and famine that is out there, I believe that there are good people everywhere and that when met with a hard decision they will decide whats right.

I don't have a problem with that. You seem to want what is best for people.
Not that my opinion matters, but I think that is a good place to be. I also believe there is more out there for us.
When we die, there is more. There is more offered to us now while we are alive if we want it.

What are your thoughts on any life after we die?
What is the point of us being alive? Coincidence?
Do you think it's possible we existed in another form before we were born?

Just curious.

 

[porqsmith]

First of all sorry for being a jerk in my earlier posts, it seemed like you were just messing with me.

2nd line - I meant which are true. Faith is to hope for things which are not seen, which are true. The thing hoped for must be true in order for it to be Faith, otherwise it is a hope grounded on nothing.

3rd line - Faith and Hope are more basic than a Belief. Belief is a more advanced level of Faith and Hope. So Faith and Hope if worked on and allowed to grow, can grow into Belief.

Did I explain my thoughts ok, or am I still not wording it in a good way?

You don't need to be sorry. My first response was snarky. Also, thank you for clarifying.

So, if faith is hoping for things that are unseen, but true, by what standard are these hypothetical things true? If they are true, you don't need hope or faith.

 

[Deleted member 95]

Does anyone know if we look the same after we die? I kind of want to keep my pretty face after I die. Thanks.

 

[LogGrad98]

Does anyone know if we look the same after we die? I kind of want to keep my pretty face after I die. Thanks.

The one in your sig?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

You don't need to be sorry. My first response was snarky. Also, thank you for clarifying.

So, if faith is hoping for things that are unseen, but true, by what standard are these hypothetical things true? If they are true, you don't need hope or faith.

You have to start with 1 thing, and move on from there.
1- Does God exist.

I made some posts about finding out for yourself if something is true earlier in this thread, so I won't repeat it all.
Re-read the posts and if you still have questions we can go from there.

I say God does exist, and he will answer sincere requests. I also say God is the one that will answer for us what is True, and what is not.... if we are wondering what to base our Faith on. *Just something I learned, all faith will be based on, or come back to Jesus Christ.

 

[porqsmith]

You have to start with 1 thing, and move on from there.
1- Does God exist.

I made some posts about finding out for yourself if something is true earlier in this thread, so I won't repeat it all.
Re-read the posts and if you still have questions we can go from there.

I say God does exist, and he will answer sincere requests. I also say God is the one that will answer for us what is True, and what is not.... if we are wondering what to base our Faith on. *Just something I learned, all faith will be based on, or come back to Jesus Christ.

I read your post responding to Vinylone's question about why we should seek to determine whether God exists. I'm not sure it's very relevant to my questions, though I'd be happy to discuss it if you'd like.

As for the rest:

Isn't truth objective?

The way I see it, belief in God has to be subjective, as He will not answer you and I at the same time in a manner that we both recognize. So, he cannot answer for us what is true, as his answers are always subjective.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Truth is objective. Belief in a deity is subjective, correct.