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jazzrule said:
You seem to want to argue instead of trying to find out the truth. Why are there so many different churches and religions you want to know. Because believing in God I also believe in Satan. Satan would have us believe differently to cause confusion and
dissention among us. You have been given the steps to find out for yourself, if God exixt. Don't use Satan as a way to disprove God.
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Arguments like these lead to things like these;
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My outrageous examples only mirror an outrageous ideology.
 
porqsmith said:
OK. I'm pretty sure I remember being taught that we were to follow the prophet no matter what, and if he was wrong we'd be rewarded for our loyalty. This was probably just individual saying this and not an official doctrine.
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You could probably find someone said that somewhere.
Personally I would rather confirm with God first.
By the way I have never found a difference in what a Prophet said, and an answer I received.
That's just me, but I also believe God will not allow a Prophet to lead his people the wrong way, somehow he would stop it before it ever happens.
 
But seriously, I'm going to try to check out.

If I've burned too much credibility in this thread, then I am sorry because I would ask everyone here that encourages us all to plead with god to reveal His truth to put as much effort in questioning it. You can't have an answer if there was never really a question.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Arguments like these lead to things like these;
My outrageous examples only mirror an outrageous ideology.
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We also think you are crazy, and love you for it.
Thanks for that.

On that note, I think I may be checking out of this conversation.
 
JazzSpazz said:
I was specifically talking about praying. When you go to pray, don't have all the doubts in your mind. Just go to God, and pray and ask what you want to ask.
If you want me to get more specific, I will. There are 3 things I think are most important as a foundation to find out if they are true. 1- pray to know if God is real, 2- pray to know if Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Savior of the world 3- pray to know if the Book of Mormon is really the word of God. The other stuff can come step by step but they build on themselves. It will take consistent effort, and may take a little time, but I would not think it would take forever.

If you clear your mind of all the bad things you are attributing to God, and focus on any of the good things you can that you can assume came from God that will help.

I am not saying to stop thinking altogether, that would be crazy.
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I don't actually attribute any bad things to God. I just don't believe there is a God, or anything like it.

When I say I've tried your methods for obtaining the answers, I'm being honest. I grew up in the church and made every effort to go along with it all. I've since been exposed to various other belief systems, most of which ask for the same or similar leaps of faith. I think they're all equally false.

Further, I think faith is a fault, not a virtue. I think the leaders of your church are, at best, misguided fools, and at worst, power hungry charlatans.
 
I wonder... how you can tell the difference between when you get an answer from "God", or when your subconscious gives you an answer that sounds like something you'd believe God would say?
 
NUMBERICA said:
But seriously, I'm going to try to check out.

If I've burned too much credibility in this thread, then I am sorry because I would ask everyone here that encourages us all to plead with god to reveal His truth to put as much effort in questioning it. You can't have an answer if there was never really a question.
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Wholeheartedly seconded.
 
jazzrule said:
You are like someone that will not put a seed in the ground to get it to grow. You want the plant first. No work no gain. We are God's children and have been sent to earth to get a body and to prove ourselves worthy of returning back to God and living with him for eternity. After paying for your own sins you will still get into one of the lower kingdoms of Heaven, because God loves you so much. Your Hell will be that you had the chance to inherit all that your Heavenly Father has and to live with him forever and youi chose with your free agency to not try and find your way back.
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You're basically calling my position childish? That I want the rewards without putting in the work?

I don't want the rewards, I don't think they exist.

My question based on your statements is: What's the purpose of the test? What does it prove about us, our souls? Our greatest tool, our mind, cannot be used to pass this "test," in fact we must reject our mind and have faith in order to pass. So the point of the test is to discover if we will abandon our greatest asset and hand our life over to God, since it's his life after all. We are his property, his servants. Our life was not given to us for our own purpose, but for His. We are here to follow His plan. This does not appeal to me. If I was viewing this set of circumstances through a supernatural lens I'd say Satan has won and has convinced you that his way is what God wants. I can't imagine anything more sinister than the plan God has for me. It is not beautiful in my opinion. Not something I wish I could accept if only I wasn't so stubborn and cynical.
 
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