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I have honestly never met a Mormon who doesn't believe in dinosaurs. :) That strikes me as being super unusual!

Everyone should. We get to watch one coach the Jazz every single game.

A dinosaur, or a swearing mormon that believes in dinosaurs?

I'm confused.

Could be both. A swearing momon dinosaur that doesn't believe in dunks.


I honestly hope somewhere, somehow D-Will is reading this thread. It'd be good for him to know where his simple expression of thought has led.


Big Smile :-)

Go Jazz.
 
In my experience, the more dogmatic someone is, the less likely they are to step out of their comfort zone. It's far easier to allow yourself to be fed "eternal truth" and "everlasting salvation" than to try to figure things out, with the knowledge that you have a very short amount of time to do so.

Do you even know me enough to claim I am being spoon fed something and that I don't take the time to think or figure things out for myself.
I passed on some of what I personally know, as a part of a conversation.
Thank you for judging who I am though.
By the way, how do you know it's easier if you don't "allow yourself to be fed eternal truth and everlasting salvation" yourself.

I said nothing about you personally. Feel free to re-read my post.

As for your question (it looks like a question, anyway), I was Mormon, received my endowment, served an honorable mission, attended BYU, worked at the MTC.

Who's judging?

In your first post you quoted me, and then said what you said. To me that is you responding to something I said, and it appeared that you directing your words towards me. That would be why I figured you were judging who I am, and implying I have been spoon fed the things I have been saying because I blindly believe in some dogma instead of thinking about it during my short life.

It may seem strange to you, but I have spent many, many hours thinking, and studying, and proving the ideas I follow. There may be some people out there in the LDS faith, or any faith that just do what they are told, and believe what they are told to believe. That is the easy way, and gets that person nowhere. I will never just spout something someone told me if I have not proved out those thoughts and ideas first, and feel comfortable with them.

Was I wrong to think you were adressing me with your comments?
Also, thank you for being more calm in your response than I was. I did have a bit of an attitude.... it happens.
 
Not if you're trying to learn. In that endeavor, doubt is indispensable.

To me there is a definite difference between questioning to learn, and doubt.
Doubt will keep you where you are, and inhibit advancemnt and learning.
Questions, and questioning will help in the learning process, as long as the questions are leading to answers. Questions without seeking the answers is as useless as doubt.

Thats my take, and why I said doubt is not our friend.

We may be saying the same thing with slightly different understandings of the word.
 
Harry Potter > The Bible

For interest and ease of reading you ain't kidding.






See my sig for an analysis of the 2 popular series of the last decade.
 
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Fun stuff, NUMBERICA. . . . Jazzfan_Bayamon 2 didn't have the (???) in his inequality. You raise some interesting questions. . . .

interesting mathematical inequality.

would like to know your particular parameters of measure.

For the faithful, please bear with me for a while, as this is something that can be dealt with in a fun-loving way and I'm really not going to take it seriously no matter how serious you may be.
For the unbelieving, please bear with me for a while, as this is something that should be logically irrelevant to you because you really aren't in the game anyway.
For the disputing who are struggling to justify disbelief, please bear with me, as this is something you need to remember=== we humans do some of our best thinking when we can laugh at ourselves and our thinking. . . .

If we discuss the comparison between the Book of Mormon and the Bible in terms of historicity, why shouldn't an entirely made-up fantasy rate just as good if not better than a less imaginative collection of writings that has always been hotly disputed by the neighbors/enemies of the faithful followers??? History, after all, is just the claims of the prevailing parties, and largely constructed to justify the contest. . . .and bury not just the bodies but also the beliefs of the vanquished.

If we discuss the comparison in terms of doctrinal excellency, why shouldn't the cohesive product of an Amherst theological student that maintains a consistent doctrinal perspective throughout beat the internally inconsistent product of a few score writers spread across time addressing entirely different problems from shifting perspectives with the result that the "New Testament" requires a massive claim of also having displaced the Law of the Old Testament with a New Covenant?

As a fun aside, for those who may still wish to just believe both the Bible and the Book of Mormon with simple faith in the whole, when you went into that private little place of prayer to determine whether God would confirm the underlying truth of it all, was it even relevant how we got those "scriptures", or was it just the issue of what a trusted Divine being wanted you to consider as a beneficial guide? And what was the exact contra proposition?

If somebody came to me asking whether he/she should believe in Harry Potter with an underlying moral theme about "confronting fears, finding inner strength, and doing what is right in the face of adversity", I maintain that as a Divine Infallibe Being Interested in Guiding Mankind, I should encourage them towards placing more faith in the book with the underlying moral theme, especially when the alternative might be going out with some bad friends and smoking weed, and doing stuff they really wouldn't be able to tell their parents about. . . .
 
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