To all the Gordon Hayward Haters

[Stoked]

I would venture to say that most 2nd options on contenders usually make around what Hayward is looking for, some making more. It just becomes a question of can Hayward be that solid #2 guy, for not just a season but a career.

Very good question. I believe he can. Perhaps I am wrong but I think he can. Also I am very thrilled with his rebounding and assist numbers.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

History has shown that Hayward has slowly progressed in every capacity that the organization has put him in. By March/April he will be playing like a number 1 option (19-22 ppg, shooting in the mid 40% range). This doesn't mean he IS a number 1 option.

And this is why I've said all along he'll get the money he wants as an RFA. And this is why Utah needs to tank. Worst case scenario is Jazz are handcuffed into giving a ton of money to Hayward while NOT getting an impact player out of the draft. This way we spend the next 3-5 years blaming Utah's middle-of-the-road success on Hayward's bloated contract - a la Kirilenko and Ostertag before him.

He actually got off to a quick start, then started to struggle, but it's looking like he's starting to pull out of his slump. In the past he usually starts to get hot somewhere around February or March.

It does though. It shows that he is inconsistent. I am sure that Hayward will have a better go of it from here on out. That doesn't mean we should forget his early season struggles when contract negotiations come up. It seems like he has always struggled to start a season and then finished well. That's why I am on board with dealing him. His value is going to be inflated by his late season play IMO.

last I checked it's still early season and he's put together 3 straight 20 point gams while shooting over 50%, and as I pointed out above, he got off to a good start. If I recall at one point he was at 19 points shooting 45% from the field, then teams started to try harder to take him out of his game, and that's when his struggles started. Hopefully he's starting to pull out of it with more then half the season to go.

I would argue that Hayward is a much better all around player than Hibbert. I think he is better than Lance Stephenson as well. If you don't think he is better than Lance, they are at least equal. Hibbert is good, but sooooo limited offensively, and so slow. He has one elite skill, and that is sticking his arms up straight and being taller than literally everyone else in the league that plays significant minutes.

I like Hayward over Lance, but to say he's better now then Hibbert now... I'm not so sure. I think he could end up being better, but not at this point. Right now Hibbert is the more accomplished player, and I'm about the biggest Hayward homer there is on jazzfanz

ah, the CJ miles references.

I was curious, so i looked at Hollinger's "GameScore" statistic for both players (a '10' score being an average game, '40' being one of the best games ever){i know, it has its flaws, but i'm just looking for a quick way to summarize individual games of each players career}

in 8.5 Seasons, CJ has registered a gamescore of '20'+ seven (7) times, highest score ever - 33.0 (the 40 pt game while with UT).

Gordon hayward in 3.5 seasons, has registered a gamescore of '20'+ twenty (20) times, {21 if you count the 19.9 score he also got}, highest score ever - 36.3 (last night).

he's inconsistent. absolutely. but his lows are not nearly as low and he has many more (and better) highs than CJ ever did, all with half as long a career. Not to mention his offensive versatility, and his actual ability to play defense and rebound set him light years ahead of calvin.

The dude's a balla-shot-calla now.
he's also only 23 still and has a lot to learn about being consistent. The good part of that is that he still has the time (and the head, shame on you if you think gordon and CJ are on the same mental level, i guess they're both ****ty rappers, so... there's that i guess) to reach that consistency we all want.

I still have high hopes for the guy, and wish him great success, because intrinsically it will be our success that comes with his progression. i just cant see the FO moving him or passing on him this summer. period.

probably the best post in this thread. I throw up a little in my mouth whenever some dumbass compares him to CJ. CJ has never had anywhere near the responsibilitys Hayward has this year or any year CJ played for the jazz or Cavs.

When the focus is off him and he is averaging 20,5,5,1,1 with decent D what would you pay for him?

Edit: It's a shame how fast people turn on the players. The only way to tell who is right is time. Hayward will be for ever be under rated and an phenominal piece to place around a superstar.

one might argue that if we get Wiggins or Parker, that they will be much better for having played next to Hayward giving more value to Hayward. Agree with this.

 

[da ThRONe]

He is the focal point of the entire offense. Having a game like this should happen. The problem with Hayward is he hasn't been doing so with any level of consistency and he was a TO machine before Burke came back.

Hayward has a bright future in the right role, however unless he takes a significant step he's not worth a max contract. Overpaying players in the NBA is never a good thing.

 

[Stoked]

He is the focal point of the entire offense. Having a game like this should happen. The problem with Hayward is he hasn't been doing so with any level of consistency and he was a TO machine before Burke came back.

Hayward has a bright future in the right role, however unless he takes a significant step he's not worth a max contract. Overpaying players in the NBA is never a good thing.

Because, like his shooting % as the offensive focal point (overall) he was placed in a role that he is not the best at. You draft Parker and play Hayward with him and Burke and Hayward will dominate most opposing SG and average fantastic numbers. With a higher % and his TOs will stay about what they are now.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm so tired of seeing Gordon Hayward compared to god. I mean, the guy has done some pretty amazing things and all, but he's no Gordon Hayward.

 

[Deleted member 848]

^ Someone pls sig

 

[The Fresh Prince]

I'm so tired of seeing Gordon Hayward compared to god. I mean, the guy has done some pretty amazing things and all, but he's no Gordon Hayward.

Ooh,

 

[Archie Moses]

Ooh,

Too lazy to finish your sentence?

 

[trigg3r]

last I checked it's still early season and he's put together 3 straight 20 point gams while shooting over 50%, and as I pointed out above, he got off to a good start. If I recall at one point he was at 19 points shooting 45% from the field, then teams started to try harder to take him out of his game, and that's when his struggles started. Hopefully he's starting to pull out of it with more then half the season to go.

3 straight 20 point games makes up for the games where he scored 9 points with poor shooting percentages? My point is made. He is inconsistent.

 

[Harambe]

I hope Miles tries to show us up tonight.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

3 straight 20 point games makes up for the games where he scored 9 points with poor shooting percentages? My point is made. He is inconsistent.

Answer me this...

Was he meant to be the #1 option?

Does he even understand what it takes to be the #1 option?

Does his coach put him in the right position on offense to succeed?

He's really youn, and playing a new role on the team for the first time ever. So, you take a guy who is young not meant to be "the guy" never has been "the guy", don't you expect some growing pains? I'm not saying he's arrived or anything, but putting three games together and out dueling Durant in the 4th quarter to hold a tenuous lead against probably the second best player in the league is saying something, and shouldn't be overlooked like you are doing. This is a year of learning. There's going to be a lot of good and bad coming from Hayward the rest of the year.

Just want to point out that your three 20point games doesn't make up for all the 9 point games is just idiotic considering the fact we are not really trying to make the playoffs, and the stage Hayward is at in his development as the #1 option, then also considering he's not even supposed to be a #1 option. Put a #1 option next to Hayward and he could be a near max to max guy. In those conditions I could see Hayward getting 15-18/6/8 43-45% shooting Those are Allstar numbers.

 

[trigg3r]

Answer me this...

Was he meant to be the #1 option?

Does he even understand what it takes to be the #1 option?

Does his coach put him in the right position on offense to succeed?

He's really youn, and playing a new role on the team for the first time ever. So, you take a guy who is young not meant to be "the guy" never has been "the guy", don't you expect some growing pains? I'm not saying he's arrived or anything, but putting three games together and out dueling Durant in the 4th quarter to hold a tenuous lead against probably the second best player in the league is saying something, and shouldn't be overlooked like you are doing. This is a year of learning. There's going to be a lot of good and bad coming from Hayward the rest of the year.

Just want to point out that your three 20point games doesn't make up for all the 9 point games is just idiotic considering the fact we are not really trying to make the playoffs, and the stage Hayward is at in his development as the #1 option, then also considering he's not even supposed to be a #1 option. Put a #1 option next to Hayward and he could be a near max to max guy. In those conditions I could see Hayward getting 15-18/6/8 43-45% shooting Those are Allstar numbers.

I have never said he was a number 1 option or even a number 2 option. I have always thought he was a number 2 option at best. My post was not at all idiotic. It further proves my point that he is inconsistent. It doesn't matter if we are trying to make the playoffs or not. That has nothing to do with him not showing up some nights. I also think it's easy to say he could be an AS if you put a number 1 option next to him. What if we do that and he is still the same old inconsistent Hayward? The Hayward love needs to stop. He's a 8-10 million per year player max. If we pay him anything more than that, we will come to regret it.