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To all the Gordon Hayward Haters

I'm so tired of seeing Gordon Hayward compared to god. I mean, the guy has done some pretty amazing things and all, but he's no Gordon Hayward.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
last I checked it's still early season and he's put together 3 straight 20 point gams while shooting over 50%, and as I pointed out above, he got off to a good start. If I recall at one point he was at 19 points shooting 45% from the field, then teams started to try harder to take him out of his game, and that's when his struggles started. Hopefully he's starting to pull out of it with more then half the season to go.
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3 straight 20 point games makes up for the games where he scored 9 points with poor shooting percentages? My point is made. He is inconsistent.
 
trigg3r said:
3 straight 20 point games makes up for the games where he scored 9 points with poor shooting percentages? My point is made. He is inconsistent.
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Answer me this...

Was he meant to be the #1 option?

Does he even understand what it takes to be the #1 option?

Does his coach put him in the right position on offense to succeed?

He's really youn, and playing a new role on the team for the first time ever. So, you take a guy who is young not meant to be "the guy" never has been "the guy", don't you expect some growing pains? I'm not saying he's arrived or anything, but putting three games together and out dueling Durant in the 4th quarter to hold a tenuous lead against probably the second best player in the league is saying something, and shouldn't be overlooked like you are doing. This is a year of learning. There's going to be a lot of good and bad coming from Hayward the rest of the year.

Just want to point out that your three 20point games doesn't make up for all the 9 point games is just idiotic considering the fact we are not really trying to make the playoffs, and the stage Hayward is at in his development as the #1 option, then also considering he's not even supposed to be a #1 option. Put a #1 option next to Hayward and he could be a near max to max guy. In those conditions I could see Hayward getting 15-18/6/8 43-45% shooting Those are Allstar numbers.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Answer me this...

Was he meant to be the #1 option?

Does he even understand what it takes to be the #1 option?

Does his coach put him in the right position on offense to succeed?

He's really youn, and playing a new role on the team for the first time ever. So, you take a guy who is young not meant to be "the guy" never has been "the guy", don't you expect some growing pains? I'm not saying he's arrived or anything, but putting three games together and out dueling Durant in the 4th quarter to hold a tenuous lead against probably the second best player in the league is saying something, and shouldn't be overlooked like you are doing. This is a year of learning. There's going to be a lot of good and bad coming from Hayward the rest of the year.

Just want to point out that your three 20point games doesn't make up for all the 9 point games is just idiotic considering the fact we are not really trying to make the playoffs, and the stage Hayward is at in his development as the #1 option, then also considering he's not even supposed to be a #1 option. Put a #1 option next to Hayward and he could be a near max to max guy. In those conditions I could see Hayward getting 15-18/6/8 43-45% shooting Those are Allstar numbers.
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I have never said he was a number 1 option or even a number 2 option. I have always thought he was a number 2 option at best. My post was not at all idiotic. It further proves my point that he is inconsistent. It doesn't matter if we are trying to make the playoffs or not. That has nothing to do with him not showing up some nights. I also think it's easy to say he could be an AS if you put a number 1 option next to him. What if we do that and he is still the same old inconsistent Hayward? The Hayward love needs to stop. He's a 8-10 million per year player max. If we pay him anything more than that, we will come to regret it.
 
trigg3r said:
I have never said he was a number 1 option or even a number 2 option. I have always thought he was a number 2 option at best. My post was not at all idiotic. It further proves my point that he is inconsistent. It doesn't matter if we are trying to make the playoffs or not. That has nothing to do with him not showing up some nights. I also think it's easy to say he could be an AS if you put a number 1 option next to him. What if we do that and he is still the same old inconsistent Hayward? The Hayward love needs to stop. He's a 8-10 million per year player max. If we pay him anything more than that, we will come to regret it.
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And I'm saying he's inconsistent because he shouldn't be a #1 option, and because of that you need to expect some dud games, but to say he doesn't show up is ummmm... Idiotic! Hayward a scorer yes, but not a great scorer like a Durant or LBJ, so when a team says to beat the jazz we can't let Hayward beat us with his scoring. Under these circumstances shouldn't we expect some 9 point games, and even then he's affecting the game with his defense and playmaking getting his teammates opportunities to score, and always playing hard. He's still developing in a way thanks to the road the jazz are taking. I think if he were playing off Al and Millsap he'd be doing much better then he is now.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
And I'm saying he's inconsistent because he shouldn't be a #1 option, and because of that you need to expect some dud games, but to say he doesn't show up is ummmm... Idiotic! Hayward a scorer yes, but not a great scorer like a Durant or LBJ, so when a team says to beat the jazz we can't let Hayward beat us with his scoring. Under these circumstances shouldn't we expect some 9 point games, and even then he's affecting the game with his defense and playmaking getting his teammates opportunities to score, and always playing hard. He's still developing in a way thanks to the road the jazz are taking. I think if he were playing off Al and Millsap he'd be doing much better then he is now.
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Where did I say he was like Durant or LeBon? Stop making arguments that never existed. I said he was inconsistent. He is. Take off your rose colored glasses and realize that or stop wasting my time.
 
trigg3r said:
Where did I say he was like Durant or LeBon? Stop making arguments that never existed. I said he was inconsistent. He is. Take off your rose colored glasses and realize that or stop wasting my time.
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Good lord!! It's like arguing with 5year olds!

I never said that you implied he was like Durant or LBJ, just making a point as to why he's inconsistent, LOL... Never was arguing that he wasn't inconsistent. I was telling you why he has played inconsistent this year. I think your hate is blinding you and others to the facts. I'm the one that's being objective. I'm looking at who he is and the role he is playing, and seeing that they don't match, and also looking at the potential he has shown from game to game. He has shown in the past that he's a good shooter and looking at the situation he's in is hurting him rather then helping him. All your doing is looking at the numbers he's putting up and dismissing everything else.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Good lord!! It's like arguing with 5year olds!

I never said that you implied he was like Durant or LBJ, just making a point as to why he's inconsistent, LOL... Never was arguing that he wasn't inconsistent. I was telling you why he has played inconsistent this year. I think your hate is blinding you and others to the facts. I'm the one that's being objective. I'm looking at who he is and the role he is playing, and seeing that they don't match, and also looking at the potential he has shown from game to game. He has shown in the past that he's a good shooter and looking at the situation he's in is hurting him rather then helping him. All your doing is looking at the numbers he's putting up and dismissing everything else.
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Yep. Must be my hate blinding me..... Are you going to continue writing these silly statements? If so, I have better things to do. Nobody hates anyone in this conversation. I pointed out that he is inconsistent and that it would be a mistake to pay him over 10. Please stop being dramatic.
 
trigg3r said:
Yep. Must be my hate blinding me..... Are you going to continue writing these silly statements? If so, I have better things to do. Nobody hates anyone in this conversation. I pointed out that he is inconsistent and that it would be a mistake to pay him over 10. Please stop being dramatic.
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Silly to you, because you don't look at all the factors, so yes you are blind!
 
i think he's the most consistent player on this team

just because sometimes his shot doesn't fall, doesn't make him an inconsistent player

he always ads something to the ball game: iq, smart plays, passing, defense, plays hard

and he never complains about his role (even when he was forced to play in the 2nd unit)

in order to keep him, the jazz will have to pay almost the max for sure
 
bjunior said:
i think he's the most consistent player on this team

just because sometimes his shot doesn't fall, doesn't make him an inconsistent player

he always ads something to the ball game: iq, smart plays, passing, defense, plays hard

and he never complains about his role (even when he was forced to play in the 2nd unit)

in order to keep him, the jazz will have to pay almost the max for sure
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Further proving that he should be traded. He is not a max or near max player. I have no problem with Gordon the person. He seems like a really nice guy. I just don't think he is worth what some do.
 
trigg3r said:
Further proving that he should be traded. He is not a max or near max player. I have no problem with Gordon the person. He seems like a really nice guy. I just don't think he is worth what some do.
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give us some inside, trade for whom?
 
trigg3r said:
Further proving that he should be traded. He is not a max or near max player. I have no problem with Gordon the person. He seems like a really nice guy. I just don't think he is worth what some do.
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I think you are selling him short. I think he will excel once a primary scorer is on the team. I truly can see Hayward averaging 20,5,5,1,1 and playing above average D wheen he is not the primary focus of the other teams D. If he does I would pay him 12 mill. Not to mention intangibles like his ability to make others better, glue guy, good locker room guy, hustle...
 
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