To the "we're better without Conley" crew

[NAOS]

Didn't realize he was making $11M.



However, Miami is hard capped and HH said something about them wanting to sign a two way guy to a regular contract but can't. Apparently Bradley and Davis works in the trade machine. That would save them like $5M, plus luxury tax payments. Wonder if they'd give us some kind of second rounder for that. You could then parlay that asset for Baynes or someone else and retain Leonard as your third big. Then it allows you to get off of owing Davis and Bradley for next year.

Any scenario that involves Baynes for less than an overpay = Yes, capital Y.

 

[NUMBERICA]

To be clear on my position regarding Conley:

I don't know if we're better without him or not, I just know we don't need him. He's certainly a legitimate rotation player but the Jazz could do a whole lot better with that roster slot, 2.5 first rounders/several years of not having a 1st to trade, and $32 million. If Mike can find a way to regain his form without trampling on what the Jazz do then the Jazz will be great. Unfortunately, I think those two things are somewhat mutually exclusive and in order for it to not, Conley needs to change his game in some pretty fundamental ways.

 

[fishonjazz]

The same thing happened last season with Rubio. He missed 6 games in January during a really soft part of the schedule where 5 of the 6 teams we played were below .500 and we went 6-0 without him.

We were also really good in the games Rubio missed the year before last. Not sure the record of the teams we played during those games though.

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[infection]

Let's not be greedy. If all the Jazz have to do to make that happen is save them eight figures and not send any assets, that is a major win.

Meyers Leonard would be viewed as fairly worthless. We're giving them a "prospect" in Bradley that has a higher ceiling than Leonard. Leonard still an okay rebounder but not nearly as good as Davis and Bradley, so it does leave us a little thin up front, unless we rectified that by signing a defensive option like Udoh, Noah, or Bogut. Looking at Meyers' lateral movement it's slow AF. But still a smidge faster than Bradley.

 

[fishonjazz]

To be clear on my position regarding Conley:

I don't know if we're better without him or not, I just know we don't need him. He's certainly a legitimate rotation player but the Jazz could do a whole lot better with that roster slot, 2.5 first rounders/several years of not having a 1st to trade, and $32 million. If Mike can find a way to regain his form without trampling on what the Jazz do then the Jazz will be great. Unfortunately, I think those two things are somewhat mutually exclusive and in order for it to not, Conley needs to change his game in some pretty fundamental ways.

This.
Also, Conley was straight up the reason we lost multiple games this season regardless of the opponents record. He had some real stinkers this year and you can't simply gloss those performances over by saying the schedule was harder at that point.

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[Thee Jazz Fan]

Mitchell and Joe have been better with Conley out. Conley doesn’t fit the personal of this roster. I prefer the ball to be in the hands of Joe and Mitchell.

 

[infection]

Mitchell and Joe have been better with Conley out. Conley doesn’t fit the personal of this roster. I prefer the ball to be in the hands of Joe and Mitchell.

Is that a function of Conley or is that a function of Joe coming off the bench? Because my bet is that 80% of that variance is explained by the latter, and maybe 10-15% the former. Yes, Joe's usage will go down, but we haven't seen Joe and Mike starting together.

 

[enchilada_style]

More talent is usually a good thing.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Is that a function of Conley or is that a function of Joe coming off the bench? Because my bet is that 80% of that variance is explained by the latter, and maybe 10-15% the former. Yes, Joe's usage will go down, but we haven't seen Joe and Mike starting together.

Conley will turn Joe into a spot up shooter, we’ve seen him in that roll and we have seen him play with Conley. That was the result. Mitchell Joe and Conley can’t all be the primary ball handler and playmaker. You can with two, three is just too much. We never should’ve traded for him in the first place. Mitchell should’ve been named the starting pg to start the season.

 

[infection]

Conley will turn Joe into a spot up shooter, we’ve seen him in that roll and we have seen him play with Conley. That was the result. Mitchell Joe and Conley can’t all be the primary ball handler and playmaker. You can with two, three is just too much. We never should’ve traded for him in the first place. Mitchell should’ve been named the starting pg to start the season.

Locke already broke these numbers down. Joe shot the same number on threes as he has the past few years in off-the-bounce and spot up, it's just that in the second unit his spot up attempts went way down and his off-the-bounce went way up. So yes, him being a spot up shooter is good, and one reason for his resurgence because he's not playing with people who don't have offensive talent.

 

[str8line]

Conley should probably lead the bench unit at this point. Bringing him back as a starter would mess with Donovan's development(which has been impressive lately) and make us shorter.

 

[NAOS]

Conley should probably lead the bench unit at this point. Bringing him back as a starter would mess with Donovan's development(which has been impressive lately) and make us shorter.

Conley will start. But I’m certain he should spend the bulk of his minutes with the bench—along with a pick-n-pop big that we have yet to acquire.

This seems painfully obvious to me at this point.