Too good to tank?

[KqWIN]

There is a 100% chance they'll be a prospect I wish we had if we have no pick. And if we have a pick, there's a great chance I will wish we had someone drafted higher.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

There is a 100% chance they'll be a prospect I wish we had if we have no pick. And if we have a pick, there's a great chance I will wish we had someone drafted higher.

OK???

I obviously would rather have a pick than no pick and I would obviously rather have a higher pick than a lower pick.

In the end there is nothing I can do about it though. I have no control over that outcome. The degree to which I'm disappointed though can be more or less severe based on what I feel we are missing out on.

 

[KqWIN]

This isn't the right way to look at it imo. We have the chance to win 5-6 less games and get one of those top 8 guys. Or we can hand a pick in the 9-12 range that at very least is a good trade asset to a team that will be at the top of the food chain for a while. Its all or nothing... the top 8 guy may matter a lot in 3-4 years... the vibes from winning an extra 5-6 games will not.

The pathetic thing about the extra 5-6 wins is that it's really just taking us from like 22 wins to 28 wins. And it's a 28 win team where there are 7-8 terrible teams in the league. We're still an awful team. All we'll get is the temporary satisfaction that we didn't tank (as well) as the teams ahead of us.

I'm not even a tank guy. I've argued with you many times about the efficacy of tanking and how I think it's highly overrated. But if we don't embrace the tank this year so we can have a little bit of pride we are sorry franchise. If patience has run out in the FO, I get it. But a high 20's team is nothing to be proud of. We shouldn't even be thinking about keeping the pick or not. That should be a given. We should be thinking about maximizing our odds at top 4 because this is our best/last chance at a premium draft asset.

If we miss the pick/lose our draft odds because Cody and TH took us there, so be it. But we cannot be there because we won't play them. Miss me with this winning culture crap.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The pathetic thing about the extra 5-6 wins is that it's really just taking us from like 22 wins to 28 wins. And it's a 28 win team where there are 7-8 terrible teams in the league. We're still an awful team. All we'll get is the temporary satisfaction that we didn't tank (as well) as the teams ahead of us.

I'm not even a tank guy. I've argued with you many times about the efficacy of tanking and how I think it's highly overrated. But if we don't embrace the tank this year so we can have a little bit of pride we are sorry franchise. If patience has run out in the FO, I get it. But a high 20's team is nothing to be proud of. We shouldn't even be thinking about keeping the pick or not. That should be a given. We should be thinking about maximizing our odds at top 4 because this is our best/last chance at a premium draft asset.

If we miss the pick/lose our draft odds because Cody and TH took us there, so be it. But we cannot be there because we won't play them. Miss me with this winning culture crap.

Counterpoint... OKC sent Horford home and benched SGA for a bunch of games while playing Poku, Maledon, Bazley minutes (who didn't deserve it) and they will never win anything. Culture matters a lot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Nurk is a bad center who is capable of good games.

He's 100% rotation level.

 

[KqWIN]

Counterpoint... OKC sent Horford home and benched SGA for a bunch of games while playing Poku, Maledon, Bazley minutes (who didn't deserve it) and they will never win anything. Culture matters a lot.

It completely torched their development too. None of those prospects went on to be good players because it's impossible to develop with so much opportunity!

 

[jom2003]

Our main issue is that Hardy has the team playing too hard.

Maybe we should fire Hardy and replace him with his brother Softy.

 

[jom2003]

It completely torched their development too. None of those prospects went on to be good players because it's impossible to develop with so much opportunity!

Or maybe they are just scrubs. Good player find a way to shine regardless of the environment. I'd argue Ace is a good example of that. He spent the majority of his minutes standing in the corner with zero play set up for him. But he still managed to make the most of it.

You can't turn some non-NBA material into legit NBA player no matter how hard you try unless your name is Quin Snyder.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Or maybe they are just scrubs. Good player find a way to shine regardless of the environment. I'd argue Ace is a good example of that. He spent the majority of his minutes standing in the corner with zero play set up for him. But he still managed to make the most of it.

You can't turn some non-NBA material into legit NBA player no matter how hard you try unless your name is Quin Snyder.

Somebody didn't understand how sarcastic we were being.

 

[infection]

For all the people thinking it’s the end of the world if we convey our pick this year, y’all need to touch grass and get real. There are so many worse things that can happen.

Like when we convey our pick and one of Cleveland or Minnesota wins the lottery.

Always gotta be a few steps ahead.

It gets worse.

 

[Peter_Mentor]

Or maybe they are just scrubs. Good player find a way to shine regardless of the environment. I'd argue Ace is a good example of that. He spent the majority of his minutes standing in the corner with zero play set up for him. But he still managed to make the most of it.

You can't turn some non-NBA material into legit NBA player no matter how hard you try unless your name is Quin Snyder.

I disagree about Ace. I actually think the system fits him really well, even if he’s just the third or fourth option in the starting five. It highlights his strengths, quick decision-making and decisiveness off the catch, while also helping to mask his biggest weakness, which is his ball handling. He would look much worse in a more static offensive system.

 

[underdog]

We are soooo stupid. Like so dumb. Just roll out Cody and Taylor for 30 minutes instead of Svi/Love for 40+. Can still be competitive and lose under the guise of development.

We are going to FAFO and it’s gonna hurt for years. But the vibes lol.

Also, if you think Nurk isn’t a rotation level center you don’t know ball. @Saint Cy of JFC

That's exactly what I thought when I watched the game last night. Cody and Hendricks should play. It sure looks like AA has given Hardy the green light to try to win our games. We'll see if that changes at some point, because I find it hard to believe that AA’s priority wouldn't be to try to get one of the top players in next year's draft. He was a prospect evaluator and draft guy in Boston for a long time. Or is it Ryan not wanting to tank anymore? Idk, a lot can happen before the season is over. 62 games still left. But it does seem like tanking hasn’t been a focus for us so far. By the way, I could be wrong, but I think it was Justin (not Danny) who was mainly responsible for our hard (and successful) tank last season.