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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

If you can't manage to understand a Ben Shapiro and cogitate enough to respond, you have perhaps just given up on doing your own thinking.

I agree that Shapiro is pretty easy to understand, and I don't see why anyone falls for his schtick.

But how can you or anyone really deny the lunacy of the dismissive comment about how a person being looted needs police action to defend her property or her life. It's not "white privilege". It's human rights.

I deny the accuracy of this depiction of the conversation. The interviewee is not dismissing the need for police, but the legitimacy of that question, because no one is saying people don't need protection, least of all the interviewee. Too bad you can't see that.
 
From what I understand its not really disbanding police, not cutting all funding, its having police do police work, then spreading out the leftover budget to go towards mental health workers, job services, etc ....to combat the real issues. Let the cops arrest dangerous criminals, not have them do that, and therapy, and welfare checks, and so on and so forth.

That's definitely one approach.
 
That said, I have some questions maybe someone can answer. To me, every cop call or stop is unpredictable. Let's say, someone calls 911 (or whatever it would be) because someone is having a mental or psychological problem and so we sent mental health care workers. When the mental health care workers show up, the person who called for help is dead and the person with the problems kills the workers. What then? Is this unrealistic to think or maybe I'm missing something.

You're missing how often the presence of an armed individual actually escalates the situation.
 
So, anyway....

My point of view developed in studying Ferdinand Marcos in the Philippines. I was there when he declared Martial Law. I knew some of his people pretty well, too damn well. But Marcos forgot one thing.... who he was to obey.....

Marcos was installed by operatives of the US, by the Rockefellers band. As was Nixon in the US. But both got the wrong-headed notion they had the Power, and forgot who installed them, and did some stuff not wanted by Management. Trump has been "Not Wanted by Management" his whole damn campaign and term in office. He's just been somehow a bit hard to take out.

Presidents today aren't supposed to be their own damn selves, and that's why Biden is the preferred useful idiot.

Pretty silly.... peons fighting for "revolution"..... a puppet show, really..... useful mainly for diverting the public from the real operations of power. Been that way a long time. The American Revolution is the only one that didn't come from that art..... well, the Philippine Revolution against Spain, which we aided, and then diverted, and cleanly made the Philippines a US colony. Some Filipinos kept fighting for freedom for a few years. They have never had their independence even today. They are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the US Establishment, but now with a sort of web of interests coming from China as well. Over 1/3 ethnic Chinese now.

It only took the Brits a few decades to peacefully subvert "American Exceptionalism" into a sort of liege compliant servitude consistent with British global interests. Knocking out the last few sticks of constitutional law and human rights, and we'll be perfectly consistent with the worst of Medieval Royal rule extended under the false flag of the UN.
 
I totally get and understand why cops aren't the best solution to call on mental issues.

That said, I have some questions maybe someone can answer. To me, every cop call or stop is unpredictable. Let's say, someone calls 911 (or whatever it would be) because someone is having a mental or psychological problem and so we sent mental health care workers. When the mental health care workers show up, the person who called for help is dead and the person with the problems kills the workers. What then? Is this unrealistic to think or maybe I'm missing something.
Every encounter with a stranger is inherently unpredictable. What you've described is an outlier event, but we've build a system around those kinds of events for some reason. As I pointed out earlier in the thread pizza deliverers are about as likely to be killed via assault as police officers, does this mean we should be handing pizzas out with drivers strapped up and given a license to kill if they "feel threatened?"

I think that would cause more problems than it would solve.
 
You're missing how often the presence of an armed individual actually escalates the situation.

A gun is a kind of sword that cuts both ways, good or bad. What it does is entirely dependent on how it is used, and why. It can be used badly, without good sense or good skill, and cause damage even in the hands of a well-intentioned person. It will not be used at all nor cause any harm unless a person has harm in mind in the first place. And the chances of that are greatly reduced by a fundamental reality that a wrong-doer can likely be stopped by an armed citizen whereever and whenever the wrongt-doer tries to act.....

If there are few guns, the same evil can be done with a knife, a baseball bat, or a rock. We need our guns because guns eliminate a lot of bad intentions before they are attempted. And they are a considerable fact for people who would use knives or rocks or bats.

There are some ways that guns contribute to safety and good manners in any society, and to law enforcement before the police can arrive. They reduce the numbers of law enforcement officers we really need, because in the hands of good citizens, not gangs or criminals, they are just as good as law enforcement.

The mere presence of an armed individual is just as good as the mere presence of a police officer, if the armed individual is intent upon using it for lawful purposes.

The mere presence of a rioter..... with a bomb, a rock, whatever..... the mere presence of a criminal with any effective tool, even bare hands, is the relevant fact that can be addressed by an armed person intent on enforcing human rights or good laws, most effectively.

I presume you object to the "escalation" of the situation generally. Pay more attention to the initial creation of the situation, and the practical means to end it with a good outcome..
 
I agree that Shapiro is pretty easy to understand, and I don't see why anyone falls for his schtick.



I deny the accuracy of this depiction of the conversation. The interviewee is not dismissing the need for police, but the legitimacy of that question, because no one is saying people don't need protection, least of all the interviewee. Too bad you can't see that.

My view of the clip previously was what was aired on a conservative talk show. It was clipped and taken out of context, and put in the context of general references to police standing down and letting looters run amok.

That is the real context of this discussion, not the Sonnie Johnson sort of context generally of black folks who can't call the cops and really expect not to be asking for trouble from the cops.

The CNN interview was an abstract discussion, unlike the idea I could get from the conservative talk show clip. I totally get the meaning in the interview on CNN.

You could impress me by acknowledging the reality of the actual current context. The people being looted, robbed, pillaged by the rioters have been almost all black, for Gawd's sake. Why won't you stick up for them, and demand police protection of their property.
 
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Every encounter with a stranger is inherently unpredictable. What you've described is an outlier event, but we've build a system around those kinds of events for some reason. As I pointed out earlier in the thread pizza deliverers are about as likely to be killed via assault as police officers, does this mean we should be handing pizzas out with drivers strapped up and given a license to kill if they "feel threatened?"

I think that would cause more problems than it would solve.

I had no idea how dangerous being a pizza delivery dude was. Again, I'm asking.

You know if this happens, the social workers, who get blasted, families are gonna demand change or no?

I'm 100% for what benefits society the most. I don't know. I do know humans have a % of people who have been, are and will always be a POS.

A lot seem to know they have the answers. I hope they do.
 
Every encounter with a stranger is inherently unpredictable. What you've described is an outlier event, but we've build a system around those kinds of events for some reason. As I pointed out earlier in the thread pizza deliverers are about as likely to be killed via assault as police officers, does this mean we should be handing pizzas out with drivers strapped up and given a license to kill if they "feel threatened?"

I think that would cause more problems than it would solve.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...es-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

Can you give me a reference on pizza delivery workers being killed from assault more than police because all I see is delivery workers being lumped in as a whole and dying mainly from accidents.

Thanks, dude I can't wait for that Vice article.
 
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