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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

Wes Mantooth said:
If I was black, I’d feel the same for my son or myself. As much as it might even piss me off, my life’s worth a lot more than my pride or ego.
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I agree that it’s smarter to just comply. But the George Floyd example is just the latest in a mountain of wrongs that could ultimately end up destroying us.

Killing people in the service of capital, under a narrative that it is in the service of the community, is a recipe for the next civil war.

A fundamental overhaul of their profession is essential for this country to survive.
 
Engorged On Unborn Gore said:
I agree that it’s smarter to just comply. But the George Floyd example is just the latest in a mountain of wrongs that could ultimately end up destroying us.

Killing people in the service of capital, under a narrative that it is in the service of the community, is a recipe for the next civil war.

A fundamental overhaul of their profession is essential for this country to survive.
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I agree.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Okay and then what happens when a methhead doesn’t simply comply and gets physical, going after your weapon, you knowing, if they get ahold of your weapon, you and your partner might very well be dead, the adrenaline rushing like it’s never run, the poise quickly fading and fear taking over, wondering what to do because this is something you’ve never trained for and even if you had, that training was years ago and never put into practice?
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Why are methheads being arrested in the first place? Is it because they're an actual threat to others or because they're a threat to "common decency?"

As @Engorged On Unborn Gore points out, the idea and purpose of modern police is based on protecting private property of those who own capital. Look no further than trespassing or loitering laws. What I would add to that is that they also simultaneously exist to protect puritanical social mores, often those that said owners of capital pay lip services to.

We then get not only a situation in which addiction and/or homelessness is treated as a moral degeneracy that needs to be fixed with force, but also an absolutely unnecessary focus of police forces on this. Those of you living in large cities like me know the sheer amount of effort and resources spent on this. Think for a second why public drunkenness is a an offence to begin with. Or disorderly conduct. Or loitering. Or disturbing the peace. Or a woman walking down the street topless. They have nothing to do with actual danger posed to the public, but the danger to some puritanical morality. Of course, the logical culmination of this attitude are the stop and identify laws, which are at its core no different than apartheid pass laws in what is really a fairly recent South Africa. The idea that you need a valid reason to be in a public place, and the police are going to determine the validity of that reason.

Contrary to what prissy suburbanites think, drug addicts pose very little danger to the general public. They're a danger to themselves, and occasionally to others of their ilk. Why do we have police officers arresting people who are drunk or high in public if they are not a danger to others. Other than it offends squares? If police stopped making it their business to harass addicts or the homeless(and that's very easy to legislate), the situations such as the one you describe would become incredibly rare.
 
A few thoughts I have had on where I would like us to go:
  1. There needs to be more $$ going to social services and less to police. If you want to put them in the same department, that's fine, but we need to stop sending cops out to enforce mental health and social issues.
  2. Cops shouldn't carry guns. I would be fine if they are biometrically locked in their vehicles - the cop has to hit his thumbprint to get it out. But half the problem is that cops automatically reach for their gun like a magic wand.
  3. Body cams mandatory. Stiff penalties for removing or interfering with it. You wear the uniform, the camera comes with it. It automatically backs it up to a secure server.
 
JimLes said:
Why are methheads being arrested in the first place? Is it because they're an actual threat to others or because they're a threat to "common decency?".
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I mean, I like the idea that people shouldn't be arrested for doing drugs but if you know anything about meth, the vast majority of people arrested for meth aren't being arrested for being in possession of meth. They're being arrested for breaking other laws and doing ****ing insane things.
 
Archie Moses said:
I mean, I like the idea that people shouldn't be arrested for doing drugs but if you know anything about meth, the vast majority of people arrested for meth aren't being arrested for being in possession of meth. They're being arrested for breaking other laws and doing ****ing insane things.
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I don't generally associate with meth addicts, but my wife worked with them for almost a decade as a social worker. I know enough not to buy into stereotypes. She was never attacked by any client, she never had one client seriously hurt another(all her clients lived in one building, btw), and other than some minor property damage, they generally just ruined their own lives. Oh, there was the one client who climbed a crane at a construction site while high on meth, but he didn't hurt anyone and did not fight the cops when they showed up. Another example of a situation where there was no need to arrest the person at all.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/768973891984
 
JimLes said:
I don't generally associate with meth addicts, but my wife worked with them for almost a decade as a social worker. I know enough not to buy into stereotypes. She was never attacked by any client, she never had one client seriously hurt another(all her clients lived in one building, btw), and other than some minor property damage, they generally just ruined their own lives. Oh, there was the one client who climbed a crane at a construction site while high on meth, but he didn't hurt anyone and did not fight the cops when they showed up. Another example of a situation where there was no need to arrest the person at all.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/768973891984
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I was definitely being stereotypical and it was said tongue-in-cheek. Most meth addicts who make the news seem like they're from Florida.
 
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