Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Gameface]

I saw it. Disgusting.

As President Trump Condemns 'Antifa,' Protest Records Show Scant Evidence

Officials have offered little evidence that antifa-aligned protesters are behind a movement that has appeared in all 50 states

time.com

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests

According to a June 2 filing, the men discussed "causing an incident to incite chaos and possibly a riot" in response to George Floyd's death.

www.businessinsider.com

Far-Right 'Boogaloo Boys' Are Trying to Incite Violence at Protests

Three self-identified boogaloo boys were arrested in Nevada for conspiracy to incite violence during a George Floyd protest.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Keefe]

As President Trump Condemns 'Antifa,' Protest Records Show Scant Evidence

Officials have offered little evidence that antifa-aligned protesters are behind a movement that has appeared in all 50 states

time.com

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests

According to a June 2 filing, the men discussed "causing an incident to incite chaos and possibly a riot" in response to George Floyd's death.

www.businessinsider.com

Far-Right 'Boogaloo Boys' Are Trying to Incite Violence at Protests

Three self-identified boogaloo boys were arrested in Nevada for conspiracy to incite violence during a George Floyd protest.

www.rollingstone.com

Huh?

 

[Gameface]

Huh?

sorry, didn't quote the right post by you.

I'm not trying to get in on the discussion, really, but you wanted some links, so... links

I took 30 seconds out of my busy life to find them, so I'm sure they are the best of the best.

 

[Red]

I had occasion to post this video in response to a question in the 2020 election thread. Since it bears on the claims involving Antifa involvement in recent violence at the protests, it may be worth a look to those following that aspect in this thread as well....

 

[Ron Mexico]

I wonder if it's true, as you claim, that "many police officers" have had sex with people in their custody. If so that is really sick. I have a couple of friends from high-school who became cops. We've kept in touch over the years. I have great respect for these guys. I could not imagine them doing the sorts of things you and others are insinuating that cops do. It doesn't surprise me that there are some bad cops, though. I'm certain that some real dirtbags are attracted to the idea of carrying a gun and wielding power. Those sorts of people need to be removed from the police force, not only for the safety of the public but for the reputation of law enforcement. I think everyone is in agreement on this point. The area where I think there is a wide disparity of opinions concerns what percentage of the police force is dirty.

Unfortunately there isn't good record access and record keeping. Agencies have no repercussion from not reporting. But this report is trying to get all the records it can but it's barely any of the 18,000+ agencies across the USA. The claim the focused on the larger ones and got 700 of them.

"They include 22,924 investigations of officers using excessive force, 3,145 allegations of rape, child molestation and other sexual misconduct and 2,307 cases of domestic violence by officers."

These are just accusations so who knows how many actually did it, but I lean towards most and they are the tip of the iceberg since the majority of people raped or sexually assaulted, especially by someone in power never report it. It's roughly 3/4 are not reported and a decent percentage is have the report falsified.

That's over a decade but that's far from a complete list. That also doesn't include all the stations and all the police that it wasn't on record for.

Who knows the extent of these things since we aren't holding them accountable. There needs to be transparency so good cops can survive and bad go away.

As far as old friends go, I get that but who actually knows how they actually are.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The blue wall of silence is very real as well. Cops will keep their mouths shut for each other even when they know the other cop did something wrong. Cops don't snitch.

 

[Archie Moses]

 

[Archie Moses]

 

[Beer]

I love Schultz. I feel like he says exactly what I'm feeling but in a hilarious and smart way. This is all getting so ridiculous.

 

[Archie Moses]

I had occasion to post this video in response to a question in the 2020 election thread. Since it bears on the claims involving Antifa involvement in recent violence at the protests, it may be worth a look to those following that aspect in this thread as well....

You don't honestly believe that or call that journalism, do you?

Fact checking doesn't mean asking professors their opinion.

 

[Archie Moses]

I had occasion to post this video in response to a question in the 2020 election thread. Since it bears on the claims involving Antifa involvement in recent violence at the protests, it may be worth a look to those following that aspect in this thread as well....

The best part is reading the YouTube comments.

I think you and Thriller are probably the only ones that like that investigation and believe it.

They flat out start off the video by lying. Lol

KARE 11 Investigates: Records show arrests so far are mostly in-state

Local jail records show the vast majority of those arrested for rioting, unlawful assembly and burglary are Minnesotans.

www.kare11.com

 

[Archie Moses]

This is a tough one to watch. And hear. One woman has since died.

Seattle protester who was struck by a car has died | CNN

A 24-year-old activist who was struck by a vehicle during a protest in Seattle early Saturday morning has died, a spokesperson for UW Medicine told CNN.

www.cnn.com

Dear god that was awful to watch.

A black driver hits two white women at a dance party held on the interstate.

 

[Red]

You don't honestly believe that or call that journalism, do you?

Fact checking doesn't mean asking professors their opinion.

They also examined arrests records from across the country. Found no individuals with Antifa affiliations. You can’t expect a short video like that to reproduce their research on every single arrest record. They presented their conclusions in the video. I believe they can back up the conclusions with their research. You would rather believe they are simply lying through their teeth, I imagine? As far as what I believe, the fact that both Trump and Barr were pronouncing Antifa was behind violence at the protests was plenty reason enough to consider the claim to be BS. Those two promoting the belief was an excellent reason to doubt it was factual.

I did not include the Washington Post article, which included that video. I did include it in the 2020 Election thread. Here is that piece, which describes how they approached and went about the research conducted by the journalists. You can review it. It has more info than was summarized in the short video. And, yeah, I do call what they conducted investigative journalism, as a matter of fact. And you can double check them by also going over arrests records from coast to coast. You do that, prove them wrong, and get back to me someday..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

“The Fact Checker video team spoke to witnesses and reviewed arrest records, federal charges, intelligence reports, online conversations and dozens of videos and photos of violent incidents from the early days of protests in Minneapolis to determine whether a coordinated antifa campaign was responsible for the violence.”
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Now, you do some investigative journalism, to the same or greater extent as described by the Post journalists, you investigate the arrests records at demonstrations around the country, and you counter their findings by showing me all the many people arrested that you find had associations with Antifa. You do that. Or, you can say, as you did say, earlier in this thread “I knew it was Antifa as soon as I saw the video“, and you can call that your idea of investigative journalism. After all, you yourself claimed “it ain’t rocket science”.

 

[Red]

The best part is reading the YouTube comments.

I think you and Thriller are probably the only ones that like that investigation and believe it.

They flat out start off the video by lying. Lol

KARE 11 Investigates: Records show arrests so far are mostly in-state

Local jail records show the vast majority of those arrested for rioting, unlawful assembly and burglary are Minnesotans.

www.kare11.com

I suggested earlier in this thread that a good % of the people acting destructively in the protests would be people who simply enjoy behaving that way. Such people show up at all such demonstrations, to take advantage of the large crowds and atmosphere of anger to do what they enjoy doing. They did not start out lying. They started out mistaken, believing it was outside agitators. Turns out I was correct, very early in this thread, when, I suggested the very conclusion they eventually reached: local people acting like hooligans, to borrow an old fashion term. Not led by political extremists at either end of the spectrum. This happens at many such large events. I have seen it personally, first hand witnessing, at many events in the race riots of ‘67 and ‘68, in the Civil Rights and Anti-War movement of the 60’s and early 70’s. I knew it would be the case in these demonstrations as well, and I was correct.

Again, you repeat the amount of research done by the Post journalists, and you prove their conclusions were mistaken. In the 2020 election thread, I suggested “take this for what it’s worth, take it as you would”. You have done so. Fine, that’s exactly what I suggested. But, you never even considered the research that underpinned the conclusions rendered in the short video. Which is fine, because, frankly, your opinion means **** to me. And that’s fine too....

 

[Red]

Dear god that was awful to watch.

A black driver hits two white women at a dance party held on the interstate.

So far, there have been 68 car attacks on BLM protestors:

People Keep Attacking Black Lives Matter Protesters With Their Cars

There have been at least 68 vehicle attacks on protesters in the last several months, one of which was fatal.

www.vice.com

 

[Red]

The best part is reading the YouTube comments.

I think you and Thriller are probably the only ones that like that investigation and believe it.

They flat out start off the video by lying. Lol

KARE 11 Investigates: Records show arrests so far are mostly in-state

Local jail records show the vast majority of those arrested for rioting, unlawful assembly and burglary are Minnesotans.

www.kare11.com

I would not spend effort wondering what I believe, what @The Thriller believes, or anyone else for that matter. It's likely most of us, at least in part, believe what we want to believe. Not trusting Trump or Barr to be truthful is sufficient for me.

Here you can check the credentials and professional affiliations and awards of the Post journalists that work on The Fact Checker. The link may not take. If so, the information is available as a link at the bottom of the Post article that I posted for you earlier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/07/about-fact-checker/

 

[The Thriller]

I would not spend effort wondering what I believe, what @The Thriller believes, or anyone else for that matter. It's likely most of us, at least in part, believe what we want to believe. Not trusting Trump or Barr to be truthful is sufficient for me.

Here you can check the credentials and professional affiliations and awards of the Post journalists that work on The Fact Checker. The link may not take. If so, the information is available as a link at the bottom of the Post article that I posted for you earlier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/07/about-fact-checker/

It’s funny how this poster youre replying to is on my ignore list. I literally haven’t read a single post of his in months yet he still can’t stop talking about me. Rent free in his mind. Just amazing.

 

[The Thriller]

I would not spend effort wondering what I believe, what @The Thriller believes, or anyone else for that matter. It's likely most of us, at least in part, believe what we want to believe. Not trusting Trump or Barr to be truthful is sufficient for me.

Here you can check the credentials and professional affiliations and awards of the Post journalists that work on The Fact Checker. The link may not take. If so, the information is available as a link at the bottom of the Post article that I posted for you earlier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/07/about-fact-checker/

And it’s not like I’ve been actively posting in this thread either. I’m pretty exhausted of arguing about it really. I’m really pretty much done talking about this topic and enjoy reading your fact driven posts and links to the Wash Post stories. You’re a walking encyclopedia! I like the information you’re posting, very insightful.

 

[Archie Moses]

They also examined arrests records from across the country. Found no individuals with Antifa affiliations. You can’t expect a short video like that to reproduce their research on every single arrest record. They presented their conclusions in the video. I believe they can back up the conclusions with their research. You would rather believe they are simply lying through their teeth, I imagine? As far as what I believe, the fact that both Trump and Barr were pronouncing Antifa was behind violence at the protests was plenty reason enough to consider the claim to be BS. Those two promoting the belief was an excellent reason to doubt it was factual.

I did not include the Washington Post article, which included that video. I did include it in the 2020 Election thread. Here is that piece, which describes how they approached and went about the research conducted by the journalists. You can review it. It has more info than was summarized in the short video. And, yeah, I do call what they conducted investigative journalism, as a matter of fact. And you can double check them by also going over arrests records from coast to coast. You do that, prove them wrong, and get back to me someday..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

“The Fact Checker video team spoke to witnesses and reviewed arrest records, federal charges, intelligence reports, online conversations and dozens of videos and photos of violent incidents from the early days of protests in Minneapolis to determine whether a coordinated antifa campaign was responsible for the violence.”
——————————————————————
Now, you do some investigative journalism, to the same or greater extent as described by the Post journalists, you investigate the arrests records at demonstrations around the country, and you counter their findings by showing me all the many people arrested that you find had associations with Antifa. You do that. Or, you can say, as you did say, earlier in this thread “I knew it was Antifa as soon as I saw the video“, and you can call that your idea of investigative journalism. After all, you yourself claimed “it ain’t rocket science”.

Antifa is not a group one can join. It's an ideology. It's a political protest movement that uses militant tactics. No one is going to come out and say it because it's been labeled a terrorist organization (I think that's a joke too btw.) Their Facebook or what ever group they're members of have changed their names or bios so they're not shut down or held responsible.

It's like the kid in Provo that was part of the mob harassing people driving in their cars, surrounding them and yelling angrly at them and slapping their windows. They scared the drivers who tried to flee and then shoot the guy. Guy who shoots the driver is in all black, a member of a Facebook group that changed their antifa name and constantly shared and posted about militant protests. Yet, people on here are like, how do you know he's antifa - I tell them many of the clear signs and they somehow still deny it because they don't understand it's not a group.

That investigation is an absolute joke. Sure, they didn't find that any of the arrested protesters were members of the antifa or affiliated - because it's not a group. I'm certainly not saying that all the protesters think they're antifa or even realize it but to blatantly do an investigation that's so blinded and bias is ridiculous.

I could go into it more about how they blatantly lied and left out major information that's very easy to find with simple Google searches, but what's the point. Pretty much every comment on the video calls them out and tells them they're joke for many simple reasons.

To me, it was biased, ****** journalism, short-sighted, not truthful and had a political agenda.

 

[Red]