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UtahJazz32 said:
So we have favors and draft picks, real different team scholar. DL is a moron is he your dad? Did he offer you a 2nd round pick to like him ?
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Alright. So in your mind what would make a great season for us? Second round? WCF? What changes your opinion about DL?

You might be right. We may die a fast death come playoffs. Just curious where you’re at.


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I think the clippers trade makes then worse.
I think lou is better than rondo and rondo is redundant to beverly.

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Handlogten's Heros said:
You are flat out wrong... sorry. You are explaining some dynamic situation where there were millions of unknowns... we knew what the cap was, we knew who we wanted to keep, we knew we needed a backup center, we knew exactly how much the MLE was and that using the full amount would mean we were over the tax by a very small amount. We knew that would start the repeater tax clock.

The only unknown I can think of is that maybe they were not sure they would need to re-sign Conley this offseason because he is playing well. Even still good responsible cap managers would have given themselves some ability or wiggle room... there were 3 opportunities to do so. If you fail to plan then you plan to fail.

Take the Favs situation... say they felt he was the only backup center they could ever want or need... but that they also needed to slip below the tax this year to avoid a potential $50M penalty or losing a key cog this offseason... He wants 3 years and $29M as the full MLE... could you just negotiate that number down $1m the first year and tack a fourth year on the deal that is 40% guaranteed and get it done... even if you gave him 4/36 and made the whole thing guaranteed you are giving up $6M to potentially save 10s of millions later or to prevent a future fire sale. If he was deeply offended at the negotiation and walks then guess what? You find another alternative! You just drafted a kid you apparently really love so stringing yourself out long term is likely not ideal.

Call it what you want but if these guys are ****ing financial ninjas like you are purporting then they should be able to manage a couple contract negotiations without setting ourselves up for a catastrophic financial event. If Ryan is so willing to spend why did we give up a real asset to dump Rayjon Tucker's $400k guarantee? If you end up in the tax by a small amount and make moves to shed dollars with assets and add dollars later on meaningless depth... well that doesn't strike me as nailing it. There is some inconsistencies here that even a casual dumb ****ing fan like me can see.

If you think we have managed the cap well then I would advise you to look back at Gordon's final season... we reserved cap space to extend Hill but then we couldn't come to terms and did nothing meaningful with that space. A completely wasted asset. If we are so on top of it don't we negotiate earlier with Hill and use the space if we think we are too far apart?

Doesn't mean DL sux or that our front office is dumz AF... it means whoever our cap guru is should be let go or given a strong talking to... if DL ignored that person then its on him. Not a fireable offense but I've seen CEOs fire smart CFOs over less.
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He's a basketball GM dude, not a CFO. No one is going to care all that much about this stuff if they get a ring. He went for the present. I'm sure he would have liked to avoid the tax, but there were some factors that changed the cap since the Conley trade happened and you cant penny pinch too much.

Y'all have this fantasy in your head that DL can just hardball everyone into submission to his master plan. Danny Ainge has tried that ish and he had an asset treasure chest while being in a desirable market. Maybe not a too shelf market like a LA/Miami/NYK, but the next best tier. Look where that **** has gotten him.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He's a basketball GM dude, not a CFO. No one is going to care all that much about this stuff if they get a ring. He went for the present. I'm sure he would have liked to avoid the tax, but there were some factors that changed the cap since the Conley trade happened and you cant penny pinch too much.

Y'all have this fantasy in your head that DL can just hardball everyone into submission to his master plan. Danny Ainge has tried that ish and he had an asset treasure chest while being in a desirable market. Maybe not a too shelf market like a LA/Miami/NYK, but the next best tier. Look where that **** has gotten him.
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All of the examples HH gave weren’t hard balling people into submission. They were all fairly reasonable, and some were even still win-win like offering Favors a fourth year that had a guarantee of whatever was lost on the first year. I’d be curious which scenarios he presented that you’d consider hardball.
 
firegirl said:
Alright. So in your mind what would make a great season for us? Second round? WCF? What changes your opinion about DL?

You might be right. We may die a fast death come playoffs. Just curious where you’re at.


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I don't like him, I guess I am spoiled living in Toronto they have Masai, but the Raptors suck now. So I'm neutral.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He's a basketball GM dude, not a CFO. No one is going to care all that much about this stuff if they get a ring. He went for the present. I'm sure he would have liked to avoid the tax, but there were some factors that changed the cap since the Conley trade happened and you cant penny pinch too much.

Y'all have this fantasy in your head that DL can just hardball everyone into submission to his master plan. Danny Ainge has tried that ish and he had an asset treasure chest while being in a desirable market. Maybe not a too shelf market like a LA/Miami/NYK, but the next best tier. Look where that **** has gotten him.
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Lol. What a slander of hh’s points.
 
So if we strike out on OPJ after his buyout, why not go with Jeff Teague? He's able to be aggressive and help on the perimeter.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He's a basketball GM dude, not a CFO. No one is going to care all that much about this stuff if they get a ring. He went for the present. I'm sure he would have liked to avoid the tax, but there were some factors that changed the cap since the Conley trade happened and you cant penny pinch too much.

Y'all have this fantasy in your head that DL can just hardball everyone into submission to his master plan. Danny Ainge has tried that ish and he had an asset treasure chest while being in a desirable market. Maybe not a too shelf market like a LA/Miami/NYK, but the next best tier. Look where that **** has gotten him.
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We have 14 GMs if one of them isn’t specifically operating the cap function then I’m not sure what we are doing?

Pat Riley is a GM but it’s well known Andy handles the cap side. Every year Pat does his work and Andy slides everything in just under the tax. I get that the quality of the moves they do is better because of market... but they also do some great cap work in the background.

If Favs wanted to be here (which he did) there was a very workable framework to give him what he wanted and not hamstring ourselves. I get that he can’t force guys to do what he wants but he can work within constraints. It is likely not his direct responsibility but someone in the front office kinda missed here.

To your overall point that no one will care... I hope so. I hope we win a title and I hope we keep all the guys we need to... where we will start to care is when we trade JC this offseason or let Mike walk because of money... if they write the checks and roll with it then I give zero *****. Buuuuut I’m guessing 100M+ might be a tough pill to swallow.
 
DasJazz said:
So if we strike out on OPJ after his buyout, why not go with Jeff Teague? He's able to be aggressive and help on the perimeter.
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He’s washed
 
DasJazz said:
I also kind of like the idea of Whiteside since Favors is broken.
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But Hassan's brain is broken.

Dieng was just released. He will have options with other teams I'm guessing but if he wants to take Ersan's spot on the bench that'd be an okay plan.
 
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