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Handlogten's Heros said:
There was no deal today that made me think "we could/should have done that". The Thomas trade is fine... hopefully we get some buyout love but I'm 90% sure this is our team.
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I wish we could’ve snagged Theis. He would’ve helped load manage Favors and Rudy during this stretch run and could’ve been a nice ingredient against Denver and the Lakers.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There was no deal today that made me think "we could/should have done that". The Thomas trade is fine... hopefully we get some buyout love but I'm 90% sure this is our team.
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I really like the Theis trade. We could have done it for our exception and saved Boston all $5 million of his salary.

Sure we would have Theis and Favors to back up Rudy, but could have been really good value. He offers something different than Faves.

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You should have gotten Austin Rivers. With him you would have definitely won your first Championship. Now....you won't even make it past the second round.

I told you Rivers was sure to be traded. You could have had him. Poor guy is now going to waste the year away in OKC.

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FAILED STATE said:
I wish we could’ve snagged Theis. He would’ve helped load manage Favors and Rudy during this stretch run and could’ve been a nice ingredient against Denver and the Lakers.
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LoPo said:
I really like the Theis trade. We could have done it for our exception and saved Boston all $5 million of his salary.

Sure we would have Theis and Favors to back up Rudy, but could have been really good value. He offers something different than Faves.

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I'm not sure we could have done that deal because it may have pushed us over the hard cap. I also think Boston needed a player... Mo is a solid rotation player... maybe we could have done it for Morgan or something.

I like Theis.. not sure either guy would have been cool with alternating roles... not a popular opinion but if I could give Favors contract to Theis and swap them out I would.
 
MeloTheJazzKiller said:
You should have gotten Austin Rivers. With him you would have definitely won your first Championship. Now....you won't even make it past the second round.

I told you Rivers was sure to be traded. You could have had him. Poor guy is now going to waste the year away in OKC.

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What if he gets bought out and wants to come here?
 
I don’t understand this idea that because people are in high level positions that somehow they execute everything to exactness. There’s still other people out there competing with them. Just because Donovan is an all-star doesn’t mean all the shots he takes are good or that all his decisions are the best decisions for that situation. If you think that organizations that have a lot of money at stake in outcomes can’t often make choices that, unbeknownst to them, don’t fully serve those purposes, then I don’t know what to say. In my profession I see decisions every day that are poor decisions made by people in high places or with significant level of expertise. That’s not because my profession is some outlier. It’s like anything else. This is more like the second grader who thinks their parents are infallible. If you look at all the times an organization has screwed up, it’s been done by people who are professionals and who are paid handsomely to make those decisions. And the ones that you see are only the minority of ones that reach our awareness. There’s a vast sea of mismanagement out there — in any field in the world.
 
One Brow said:
Favors has a 20 PER and a .246 WS/48. We can play the same defense with him on the court as with Gobert, and it's not terrible. If he's so terrible, who's a better back-up in the league?
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What about Tony Bradley? He's had 21.1 PER and a .244 WS/48. A pretty qualified backup center by your standards?

Funny enough, when i looked up the advance stats you mentioned on Basketball Reference, it automatically filtered out "non-qualifier for rate stats". And both Favors/Bradley got tossed for being small sample size. So basically your stats were rejected by the website itself for its inaccuracy.

And wanna know who leads the entire league for both PER and WS/48 if you turn off the "non-qualifier" filter?

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Our dearest Rayjon tucker who has a a 55.1 PER and a 1.134 WS/48.

So why not check out some non-rate based stats like BPM or net rating to see how well Favor's doing this season? I can tell you it ain't pretty.

And we "play the same defense with him on the court as with Gobert"? If you don't have time to watch games, just follow andy larsen on twitter and he will watch games for you.
 
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infection said:
I don’t understand this idea that because people are in high level positions that somehow they execute everything to exactness. There’s still other people out there competing with them. Just because Donovan is an all-star doesn’t mean all the shots he takes are good or that all his decisions are the best decisions for that situation. If you think that organizations that have a lot of money at stake in outcomes can’t often make choices that, unbeknownst to them, don’t fully serve those purposes, then I don’t know what to say. In my profession I see decisions every day that are poor decisions made by people in high places or with significant level of expertise. That’s not because my profession is some outlier. It’s like anything else. This is more like the second grader who thinks their parents are infallible. If you look at all the times an organization has screwed up, it’s been done by people who are professionals and who are paid handsomely to make those decisions. And the ones that you see are only the minority of ones that reach our awareness. There’s a vast sea of mismanagement out there — in any field in the world.
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I think the flip side is true too... if these guys are super duper smart and have everything completely thought out then they consciously decided to make a decision that will either:

a- cost an enormous amount of excess cash.
b- seriously hamstring our ability to keep key components of our core together.

Couple simple moves - either flipping the late first rounder we used on Udoka for a early/mid second rounder... or asking Favs/JC to take just a little less money and we avoid the tax.
 
It will be interesting to see what the buyout market looks like. I know he hasn’t played much the last year and a half, but I’ve always liked Avery Bradley as a defensive guard.
 
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