Celtics are going to want Bogey or Ingles for Smart depending on what direction they want to go with their roster. They won't want Clarkson. I do believe you could turn Clarkson into Thad Young if it ends up being a Bogey trade for Smart. Barnes is probably not on the table for what the Jazz have to offer.
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So if NO is a buyer... they have a large trade exception from the Adams trade. Say you do a straight JC for a second round pick... doesn't even have to be a real second round pick. You've now alleviated a huge amount of the luxury tax pressure this year and next. You can sell it as savings/flexibility but also that you want to see what you have in JB. Mights set us up for another move.
Super unsexy but when you figure it saves us infinity dollars and NO only pays half of JC's contract this year to get an offensive upgrade... I think they would bite.
Super unsexy but when you figure it saves us infinity dollars and NO only pays half of JC's contract this year to get an offensive upgrade... I think they would bite.
If they did this, I’d be very interested in the “Ryan doesn’t make money-only moves” takes. Those alone may be worth pulling the trigger. Probably something about “wow, second rounders have tons of value, as you’ve seen, and we haven’t been able to make those deals so this is really good to stock the cupboards.”
A little bit of a pet peeve surrounding so many of these discussions. It seems we're almost operating in the wrong direction as we try to figure these fake trades out.
We concentrate so much on what we need and how little we might be able to spend to get it that it's hard to approach things realistically. Figuring out what we want and what works money wise is the easy part, yet so much of the discussion here is on that.
Instead, it seems we should be starting from almost (though not quite) the opposite viewpoint: figuring out what we would be willing to give up and how we can make the trading partner happy within those parameters in order to get what we want. It seems to me we (or at least the Jazz internally) should be discussing what's our upper limit for a Smart, Grant, or Covington (etc.) trade. We should be discussing why we have something to offer the trading partner that they not only want but would find better than offers that other teams are realistically throwing at them. Instead of just assuming/hoping the other team is dumb/desperate, we maybe ought to be giving more (and more realistic) attention to why the other team will be able to justify the trade to their fanbase.
Of course the Jazz themselves don't start negotiations with their most generous offer, but they sure better know what their most generous offer is and why they think it makes sense for the other team. There's been some of this kind of thinking here, but I'd like to see more of it.
We concentrate so much on what we need and how little we might be able to spend to get it that it's hard to approach things realistically. Figuring out what we want and what works money wise is the easy part, yet so much of the discussion here is on that.
Instead, it seems we should be starting from almost (though not quite) the opposite viewpoint: figuring out what we would be willing to give up and how we can make the trading partner happy within those parameters in order to get what we want. It seems to me we (or at least the Jazz internally) should be discussing what's our upper limit for a Smart, Grant, or Covington (etc.) trade. We should be discussing why we have something to offer the trading partner that they not only want but would find better than offers that other teams are realistically throwing at them. Instead of just assuming/hoping the other team is dumb/desperate, we maybe ought to be giving more (and more realistic) attention to why the other team will be able to justify the trade to their fanbase.
Of course the Jazz themselves don't start negotiations with their most generous offer, but they sure better know what their most generous offer is and why they think it makes sense for the other team. There's been some of this kind of thinking here, but I'd like to see more of it.
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For this type of move I might actually argue that it does legitimately change our flexibility. The follow up move would be key. I would quickly feel dumb when the follow up move is sending Ingles out for someone that makes less so we get all the way under the tax.
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You should be banned for posting **** like this.
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One thing on Barnes… are we sure he isn’t a worse defender than Bojan? He has been a part of one of the worst defenses ever the last couple years. I honestly think Bojan is straight up better. I’m cool going after Barnes if we have to move Bogey in another deal… but outside of that I’m good on Barnes.
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Because some of you guys wouldn't trade Rudy even if it meant a title. The Jazz curse. Let's only trade guys when they are completely wiped of value unless they fight with Sloan.
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Hearsky
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Because that is a ridiculously stupid *** trade and you are absolutely incapable of being objective. You know who has value right now? That guy that your head is between his legs. I am now willing to trade DM if you go away with him.
LoPo
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Dude. Calm down. I even laughed at it. It's ridiculous because it's way too much for midyear for a team with a decent record.
We choke again this postseason, and I guarantee we will be begging for a trade like this.
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You are already choking. Tell the guy you are choking on to put some effort into defense.
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That was what, 8 years ago? A lot has changed. I think the only issue he would have going to a much more competitive team would be not starting.
But that would only last for a year or two as Conley gets older. (There will be a need to find a point forward type like Ingles if this happens.)