Trade deadline discussion

[NUMBERICA]

It's just kind of weird... everything we've been hearing is that they've been shopping Ingles contract and a first. Now it seems like plans have suddenly changed and they're no longer willing to give up a first. Maybe they no longer believe this team is a contender so they're not willing to mortgage the future to try and improve the roster?

+ a constant passive-aggressive simmering between the franchise cornerstones.

It’s fine.

But for real, that is smart. I’m about ready to throw some **** around to get Jerami Grant now and position the Jazz to chase Jaylen Brown, but not trading any draft capital and letting this team die in the playoffs to create justification for a real pivot makes sense, unfortunately.

Either way, can we please, PUHLEASE, for the love of god, get Jordan Clowntown off the ****ing team. It’s been such a joy not watching him diarrhea all over the place every night with Quin bathing in it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It would also be funny to see people talking about a TPE while we’re already sitting on a Favors TPE that won’t be used.

Why not save the money when we can get something good by being aggressive in the buyout market??? Have to hold some playing time open and a spot if you want something good... lolz... they have a plan bruh.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It would also be funny to see people talking about a TPE while we’re already sitting on a Favors TPE that won’t be used.

You know what would be even funnier... unless we move both Joe and JC I don't see a great way to duck the whole tax. We would end up just slightly over the tax AGAIN. Even moving Joe, Doke won't do it.

It would be funny and I'd end up fighting everyone here who claims the Jazz management knows anything about the salary cap. Jump in the repeater category for being barely over the tax a couple years in a row... a small part of me is actually rooting for it.

 

[infection]

I supported the direction this franchise had gone in up until late fall / early winter of Donovan’s rookie year when we knew what we had. It was then apparent that the window was opened and we needed to get aggressive. Most everyone was still in tank and asset acquisition mode because Rudy being out artificially depressed our record. Since then we have been too slow and half-assed to aggressively take advantage of the window. DL wanted to “keep dat powder dry” and waited until our option was a narrow focus on Conley. And now we’re wasting this window by not realizing it’s closing. It’s likely going to close not naturally, but with help. Our bad decisions and indecisions will lead to the same lackluster results that we will then conclude there’s not a pathway forward and make a “large pivot” that likely won’t be successful, and when we go through a serious lull that we were spared from after Hayward left, we’re going to look back at how far we’ve fallen and wonder how we ****ed this up so bad.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

+ a constant passive-aggressive simmering between the franchise cornerstones.

It’s fine.

But for real, that is smart. I’m about ready to throw some **** around to get Jerami Grant now and position the Jazz to chase Jaylen Brown, but not trading any draft capital and letting this team die in the playoffs to create justification for a real pivot makes sense, unfortunately.

Either way, can we please, PUHLEASE, for the love of god, get Jordan Clowntown off the ****ing team. It’s been such a joy not watching him diarrhea all over the place every night with Quin bathing in it.

The only hope I have for this is JC is the only way we duck all the way under the tax. That may push us over the edge in moving him for a likely pretty rough return.

 

[LoPo]

I supported the direction this franchise had gone in up until late fall / early winter of Donovan’s rookie year when we knew what we had. It was then apparent that the window was opened and we needed to get aggressive. Most everyone was still in tank and asset acquisition mode because Rudy being out artificially depressed our record. Since then we have been too slow and half-assed to aggressively take advantage of the window. DL wanted to “keep dat powder dry” and waited until our option was a narrow focus on Conley. And now we’re wasting this window by not realizing it’s closing. It’s likely going to close not naturally, but with help. Our bad decisions and indecisions will lead to the same lackluster results that we will then conclude there’s not a pathway forward and make a “large pivot” that likely won’t be successful, and when we go through a serious lull that we were spared from after Hayward left, we’re going to look back at how far we’ve fallen and wonder how we ****ed this up so bad.

We cocked this up so badly. Just move after move that probably tanked our chances.

I'm not going to pick on Conley because y'all know my thoughts on that trade. But the response after?
Signing Favors to that deal then having to dump a 1st with it?
Signing Ed Davis to a solid deal then having to use an asset to dump?
Keeping Bradley around too long only to use an asset to dump him?
Not trading Clarkson this summer when he had really good value?

Add all that to how badly we drafted by not taking Bane or Herb Jones.

Another wasted opportunity.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The only hope I have for this is JC is the only way we duck all the way under the tax. That may push us over the edge in moving him for a likely pretty rough return.

Not going to happen. If we simply dump him for LT reasons that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell. That's all this franchise cares about currently.

 

[Jingled]

Josh Richardson is solid on both ends and is having the best shooting year of his career. I definitely don't think he's going to be enough to put us over the top though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not going to happen. If we simply dump him for LT reasons that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell. That's all this franchise cares about currently.

It could be a multi-team deal that makes it happen... if you were good you could figure out a way to do it with lots of moving pieces to make it better... JC into NOP trade exception with Holiday coming back from Indiana using the Favs exception... then dump Joe into OKC's space.

It would just be so funny to me to see us pour a ton of draft capital into dumping Favs and Ingles and still end up 2.5M over the luxury tax for the second year in a row. We gave up our future NBA drafts to sign and dump Favs and then to sign Rudy Gay.

Depends on what the cost of dumping Joe is... if it was pick protections on a pick you were likely already going to convey in 2024... okay then I get saving the 38-39M... if its JB and more seconds then I'm just out on this ********.

 

[LoPo]

Not going to happen. If we simply dump him for LT reasons that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell. That's all this franchise cares about currently.

I think you meant...

If we simply dump him for LT reasons, that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell who is vitally important to any chance the Utah Jazz has at winning a title. Winning a title on a budget is all this franchise cares about currently.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think you meant...

If we simply dump him for LT reasons, that's a huge negative signal to Mitchell who is vitally important to any chance the Utah Jazz has at winning a title. Winning a title on a budget is all this franchise cares about currently.

No, I meant what I said and it's 100% correct.

 

[homeytennis]

I keep thinking back to the summer the Jazz signed Uncle Jeff and Ed and wonder if the team would have been far better off signing neither and allowing our back up center core to be Bradley and Willie Reed and signing George King to a contract. All of the asset burning and dumping could have been avoided allowing a real trade to be made later in time.