And still a better defender than Collin Sexton...
Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz
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Based on what? Your confirmation bias?
I’d do it to get Beauchamp. I doubt they do that deal though.
HeatCheck
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Just checked.
Only McDermott, Will Barton, and Malaki Branham rank worst than Bones defensively.
Bones ranks 246 out of 250 players at -3.5
Jordan Clarkson ranks 240th which isn't much better. (-3.1)
Mike Conley and Collin Sexton are tied at 190th (-1.2)
It's easy enough to check these things.
Only McDermott, Will Barton, and Malaki Branham rank worst than Bones defensively.
Bones ranks 246 out of 250 players at -3.5
Jordan Clarkson ranks 240th which isn't much better. (-3.1)
Mike Conley and Collin Sexton are tied at 190th (-1.2)
It's easy enough to check these things.
Second round picks suck and we dont need 3 players who are old
Cy just makes stuff up to fit his narrative about Sexton.
The longer period of time Sexton has been a bad defender w/ bad advanced metrics vs the period of time Bone has. Plus Bones has better measurables to give him more defensive potential.
Sir you just provided us numbers without referencing what they actually are then had the audacity to act glib about it. There are a number of advanced defensive metrics.
HeatCheck
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Bones is in his 2nd season. Despite being on a very good defensive team he has not improved defensively at all.
Bones is also 6'-2" and is skinny as a rail. Even with the eye test I don't see him as having favorable measurables to defend at this level.
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The advanced stats are available. I like to look at this site. Just click on the defensive raptor column.
Bones is in his 2nd season. Despite being on a very good defensive team he has not improved defensively at all.
Bones is also 6'-2" and is skinny as a rail. Even with the eye test I don't see him as having favorable measurables to defend at this level.
Stop bringing facts into his biased ranting.
Now go and compare all of Sexton's prior seasons as well and view a larger sample than half a season and factor in that Bones hasnt completed his 2nd full NBA season yet and he has to develop while on a contender.
Yall made the hill up. I'm not dying on a bones hyland hill. All Im saying is I would trade Jared freaking Vanderbilt for him...
Yall think because Im calling him a better potential player than Sexton that I'm heaping high praise on him....
The Jazz currently have no PG past Mike Conley.
If we can use JV to invest in a guy with some potential, I think that's something worth considering. That's it. I'm fully aware Bones is not currently a good defender. He has more defensive potential than Sexton and that's just a fact.
If we can use JV to invest in a guy with some potential, I think that's something worth considering. That's it. I'm fully aware Bones is not currently a good defender. He has more defensive potential than Sexton and that's just a fact.
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NAW is waaaay more a pg than Bones imo. Give me NAW over Bones.
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You are waiving Hill, Grayson is 27 (maybe a better all-around player than Beasley, especially if you factor defense,) and Beauchamp is a rookie (and most of the reason you do the deal.)
The Bucks are deep in win now and aren't developing a rookie, and really, really need what Beasley can give them over the defensive boost Grayson brings.
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I like Marjon... saw him up close at summer league and was like.... Damn dude is big and moves well. I'd be okay with this deal for sure... even though it means we have to look at Grayson.
I think he's pretty talented and interesting and I think the Jazz should be trying to find a PG and he's someone who can become a PG.