Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[jom2003]

Cool… so there are instances of good star players losing… great. But look just a little closer… What was missing with that Denver team… could it be they didn’t have their other star? What about when Don went nuclear… could it be the other two stars out-starred him? Also what happened in LA this year… could it be there stars were out or hurt a lot… they’ve had one healthy playoff game run and won a title sooooooo….

THIS TEAM WILL GO AS FAR AS DONOVAN TAKES THEM… is a simplified version of tying this team to his ceiling because we have no other player with a higher potential ceiling and there are no prospects coming up at all. This teams ceiling depends on how Donovan develops… primarily as a defender and playmaker because those are the areas he is most deficient. If he improves as a shot maker that’s great too but he’s already pretty good there. If not he’s a worse version of Dame and a team lead by Dame ain’t going beyond the conference finals if they get extreme luck… if they have another bigger star they have a higher ceiling.

It’s not hard.

You mean Donovan scored 3rd highest pts in a playoff game and somehow still got "outstarred" is why we lost that game? Denver had MJ coming out of his retirement or what?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I've said Don played poorly, but putting the series loss on Don is just another lame *** attempt by you morons.

Don played series like MJ, and we lost. He played poorly, and we lost.

Blame the real factors.

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I love how you jump in and protect Donovan without really considering what I said. I said this team will go as far as Donovan takes them... I've said that for like 2-3 years... before the great and ****** playoffs. He was always going to have to be a creator on offense and a good defender. If he wasn't going to be a two-way star in the mold of Jimmy or Kawhi then Donovan plus Rudy wouldn't be good enough.

That statement recognizes Donovan's awesome potential and Rudy's limitations. If I thought he could improve I'd anchor our ceiling to Rudy.

We won't win every series where Donovan plays well, but his play is the baseline that will raise the team's ceiling. Re-arrange all the deck chairs you want... it will still be true unless we find a star who is better than him.

 

[jom2003]

Dallas works because of Luka... If Donovan landed on Dallas' roster and Luka landed on the Jazz roster in a 1 for 1 trade what does the series look like. Luka provides some defensive value as a rebounder and just due to his size.

If we are going to do non-rudy and add 3 and D wings our team success will be tied to how well Donovan develops as a passer and defender... It will be true with Rudy... it will be even more true without him.

Also, KD lost to the the team in the finals... was a toe nail away from beating the team that won it all last year. His supporting cast has been garbage the last two years.... Lebron and AD had all sorts or injuries. Best player in the series doesn't always hold true. It simply shows how hard it is to win at the highest levels. If you think Donovan can be the best player on a conference finals team without improving in big ways on defense and playmaking then I'm not sure what to tell you. If you don't believe that then we better get a star that is better than he is.

Luka has "some" defensive value as a rebounder... Not a lot. He still relies on his teammates to rebound and play defense, basically covering all the dirty work so he didn't need to do it. Putting him on this Jazz team won't change that. We will still allow folks like Brunson and Mann drop 40 on us.

IF we can add 3 and D wings our success will depend on how good Donovan is. Sure. But that's a big IF so i'm not sure you can just jump to any conclusion right now when we aren't anywhere close to that point.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You mean Donovan scored 3rd highest pts in a playoff game and somehow still got "outstarred" is why we lost that game? Denver had MJ coming out of his retirement or what?

No but Denver's two stars were more effective than Donovan and Rudy that game. They scored a combined 65 pts. on the most insane shooting percentages. We also did not have Mike. I don't blame Don for that loss but sometimes the other stars can overcome a good star performance.

Donovan was bonkers in that series... Rudy didn't hold up his end of the deal imo... it came down to a few points so its really a toss up. But yeah Jokic and Murray out starred Donovan and Rudy in that series.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Luka has "some" defensive value as a rebounder... Not a lot. He still relies on his teammates to rebound and play defense, basically covering all the dirty work so he didn't need to do it. Putting him on this Jazz team won't change that. We will still allow folks like Brunson and Mann drop 40 on us.

IF we can add 3 and D wings our success will depend on how good Donovan is. Sure. But that's a big IF so i'm not sure you can just jump to any conclusion right now when we aren't anywhere close to that point.

And guess what... if Luka doesn't improve his conditioning or defense his team won't win titles either... and he is a much better offensive engine than Donovan.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Me: Our star player who we are building around should fix these fairly obvious flaws as it will be critical to our success.

Jazzfanz: You hater moron... quit blaming Donovan!!!!

 

[homeytennis]

The Jazz just released a puff piece on Royce so it would appear Gobert, Bojan, Conley, DM, JC and Royce ain't going anywhere based on puff pieces peddled by the team.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

THe real issue: Donovan makes no one better on offense and actively makes his teammates worse on defense.

Stellar individual scorer. Not **** as a leader, a trashcan in the clutch, and a dumpster on defense.

So a great #2 option on a competitive playoff team. That’s why the Jazz as currently constructed need to strongly consider moving him for some good picks…. Unless he makes the move to being a two way star which I know he HAD the potential to be. He came Into the league as a good defensive player but seemingly dropped that to be a scorer.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

So a great #2 option on a competitive playoff team. That’s why the Jazz as currently constructed need to strongly consider moving him for some good picks…. Unless he makes the move to being a two way star which I know he HAD the potential to be. He came Into the league as a good defensive player but seemingly dropped that to be a scorer.


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No, I thnk Donovan can absolutely be a #1 (scoring) option, it just has to be next to someone like Lebron. Like what Kyrie did.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Technically it is. Donovan averages 40pt per 100poss on 46% shooting against Dallas whenever Mike isn't on the floor. And only 29pt on 33% shooting when he is. Having Mike Conley automatically shifts DM to a tougher matchup where he has size disadvantage.

Yes... the Mavs were totally going to put DFS on a player other than Donovan based on who his backcourt mate was... you nailed it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Does Donovan want to be Zach Lavine/Demar DeRozan or can he be more like Jimmy Butler or can he at least defend on a Devin Booker level and get a little more efficient? That's what drives our ultimate success.

 

[YoungJefe]

Nets won't have pick #23