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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Sam Presti is at the pool at the Grand America right now. Is he teaching us how to tank? If someone needs a pic, can do. Happy 4th yall.

Then again, the summer league features OKC so he is probably just here for that.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I’m pretty sure only pick they could trade is their 2029 pick if they got rid of the protections on the 2025/2027 1sts they sent out.
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I did it without looking it up. I might do it for swaps on 28 and an unprotected 29 pick. Prior to moving Rudy I would have said no to To it’s because it makes it really hard to duck the tax… I think he could pick up some of his value again in a pick and roll heavy team and then you repackage him for another pick.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The thing I’m looking at now is a potential Tobias Harris deal now that we have all these spare parts. The Philly pick situation is a little murky… but I think they can give up some picks with other conditions satisfied type of language. Bev, Bogey, etc for Tobias and picks is the type of buy low get some stuff type of package I’d look for.
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Morey loves former Rockets players.

Bojan, Beverly, and Gay for Tobias?

The only thing is I don’t see Danny taking on a big contract for 2023+beyond
 
rocfan1 said:
I keep getting suck into the twitter chasing and supposed accurate reporting from all of these insiders (Which is why I'm on here posting on the 4th). How come no one knew that the Timberwolves were aggressively pursuing Gobert until after the fact? How come Woj had to break this, and no other insiders had any information? I saw one piece of reporting that Twolves had interest and were in conversations. We spent all this time talking about Hawks, Bulls and Raptors deals. Insiders writing articles, blog posts, podcasts and etc. talking about these teams. I even spent an hour searching Hawks, Bulls and Raptors fan forums for any information on THE pending deal that was coming. In the end, not one of these insiders knew anything. The Gobert trade shocked everyone and apparently Ainge and Zanik kept the Gobert negotiation under wraps.
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There were actually a few items here and there about TWolves interest. I didn't take them seriously tho.
 
rocfan1 said:
I keep getting suck into the twitter chasing and supposed accurate reporting from all of these insiders (Which is why I'm on here posting on the 4th). How come no one knew that the Timberwolves were aggressively pursuing Gobert until after the fact? How come Woj had to break this, and no other insiders had any information? I saw one piece of reporting that Twolves had interest and were in conversations. We spent all this time talking about Hawks, Bulls and Raptors deals. Insiders writing articles, blog posts, podcasts and etc. talking about these teams. I even spent an hour searching Hawks, Bulls and Raptors fan forums for any information on THE pending deal that was coming. In the end, not one of these insiders knew anything. The Gobert trade shocked everyone and apparently Ainge and Zanik kept the Gobert negotiation under wraps.
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FWIW: Tony Jones said on the Twitter spaces that Minnesota called on Rudy but Danny was adamant about Jaden McDaniels being included in the deal. It was reported leading up to the draft that the Wolves were interested in acquiring a veteran center and had inquired about Rudy. The Wolves didn’t want to include him and seemed like they shifted their attention to a potential Durant trade. The Nets told them they weren’t getting Durant if they didn’t include Edwards or KAT. So after that they moved quickly with more draft picks to close on a Rudy deal.
 
My2Cents said:
There were actually a few items here and there about TWolves interest. I didn't take them seriously tho.
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While putting together a potential package I thought for sure they’d try to include Russell’s salary instead of a lot of their depth and many of us were hoping for 2-3 picks let alone 4 essentially 5 with Kessler.
 
framer said:
Tobias Harris makes 40 million a year for the next two years. Bojan and Beverly are expiring and better players individually.
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And why the Hell are you trying to make the Sixers better when we own their pick. You are not a true Jazz fan, Embiid lover. . .
 
Just want to reiterate that if the Suns trade for KD, they'll be depending on two star players who are injury prone and will miss games for load management. They'll lose Ayton, Bridges and Johnson as quality starters who were on rookie-scale. They already lost Javale and will have very poor depth in the frontcourt. They'll be capped out. They won't have their draft picks. They'll be in the luxury tax when Booker's new extension kicks in, if not sooner, so they'll have very little flexibility. Their owner is already known for being cheap, as evidenced by not extending Ayton or Jalen Smith. He's nothing like the Warriors' owner. They might not win more regular season games than the Warriors, Clippers, Nuggets or Grizzlies and are not guaranteed to be a homecourt playoff team. If they lose in the 1st or 2nd round, the whole experiment could blow up.

The only reason Ainge would trade Mitchell for a package of PHX draft picks is because he thinks those picks are going to be very valuable. That's why their package could be as attractive as the Knicks. Ainge would be setting them up like he set up the Nets in the Pierce/KG trade.
 
framer said:
Tobias Harris makes 40 million a year for the next two years. Bojan and Beverly are expiring and better players individually.
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I think Harris is better than both guys but you do it to get the pick swaps in the even years and a 2029 1st. Likely could get Shake or Thybulle too. Then when Harris value is higher we can sell him off… it’s like what the Thunder did with CP and Horford.

I’d also settle for getting other firsts for those guys but not sure one is there for Bev… bogey could get you one for sure.
 
idiot said:
Yep. That's true.

But it's still a lot to pay for a position (center) that seemingly 80% of observers say is not worth paying big dollars to (save for Jokic and Embiid).
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What if he became as good and valuable as jokic and embiid. Dude is 23.
Jokic at 23 years old: 23 points per game on 51%/31%/82% shooting splits. 12 rebounds per game. 8.3 assists (what really sets him apart)
Embiid at 23 years old: 27 points per game on 48%/31%/77% shooting splits. 13 rebounds per game.
Ayton at 23 years old: 21 points per game (he had the least shot attempts per game by a significant amount) on 63%/37%/75% shooting splits. 13 rebounds per game.

Obviously Jokic is by far the best passer. Embiid is the highest scorer (though it takes him 20 shots per game and a bunch of free throws, which isn't a bad thing, to get there). But Ayton is the most efficient scorer. Defensively I would think he could be just as good or better than both (great length and athleticism). He was winning a lot more games than both at that age (or any age really) Statistically he isn't much worse than those two dudes at the same age right?
 
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