Trey Burke FG% and 3p%

[MDAV28]

you might want to look into the beginning of Hayward's sophomore year.

December: FGA 3.0-8.0 (.375) 3pointers 0.8-2.5 (.300)
January: FGA 3.0-7.9 (.381) 3pointers 0.7-2.5 (.263)
February: FGA 3.8-7.9 (.479) 3pointers 0.3-1.7 (.160)

Thanks I was actually talking about last season but I don't see why his other seasons shouldn't count either. Still doesn't quite compare to Trey's 30%/22% he's shooting right now.

Hayward has never had more than 4 consecutive games shooting <33% from the field, Trey Burke is on 6 and counting.

It's a nasty slump, even for someone like Trey who I'm not even convinced can shoot anyways. The biggest difference between a Trey and Hayward slump is Hayward still typically managed to salvage his game at the FT line but we all know Trey has trouble getting to the FT line too so it is even more important that he knock down his shots.

 

[zman1527]

It's a nasty slump, even for someone like Trey who I'm not even convinced can shoot anyways. The biggest difference between a Trey and Hayward slump is Hayward still typically managed to salvage his game at the FT line but we all know Trey has trouble getting to the FT line too so it is even more important that he knock down his shots.

A more significant difference is that we knew that Hayward had the physical tools to succeed in the league: size, athleticism. Trey, not so much. If Trey cannot shoot from outside well, he is about worthless, maybe a backup.

 

[mellow]

You know how bad teams stay bad for a long time? Draft bad players. Jazz have missed more than they hit with all those lottery picks. Sadly DOL seems just as bad as KOC, Trey was on DOL, Kanter on KOC.

 

[fishonjazz]

How many people outside of you have talked about how "clutch" Trey Burke is this year?

Good point

 

[fishonjazz]

WTF? Kanter's problem isn't his FG%. What a stupid ****ing thing to say. You skipped over his D, his turnovers, his low BBIQ, etc, and you picked on his FG%??

He's at 49% if you're wondering.

I think he was taking about 3 pt %

 

[fishonjazz]

I believe he was talking about Kanter's 3pt FG% which is 27% right now. And Kanter doesn't have a serious turnover problem even though he is coming off a 5 turnover game. Just 2.1 Turnover per game, 0.3 higher that Favors. You are right about everything else though.

Oh, that makes sense (the 3pt% part). I'm really surprised that he's only averaging 2.1 TO. It seems like half of his screens are illegal, and half of his pump up fakes end up with him travelling.

Oops

 

[fishonjazz]

I just want to thank trey for taking most of the criticism so it isn't all falling on alec who is also struggling to find his outside shot.

Also want to thank kanter for carrying the load during the first few games

 

[akirac73]

You know how bad teams stay bad for a long time? Draft bad players. Jazz have missed more than they hit with all those lottery picks. Sadly DOL seems just as bad as KOC, Trey was on DOL, Kanter on KOC.

Not all the blame should go to DOL, wasn't Burke Corbin's guy?

 

[enchilada_style]

Trey needs to be able to shoot everything else about his game is not good enough to overcome his lack of shooting. Even a guy like Exum could get by without shooting well because of his size and athleticism this is not the case for Burke. He might be due for a phantom injury to give him some time off and hopefully come back reset.

 

[zman1527]

Not all the blame should go to DOL, wasn't Burke Corbin's guy?

That is what DL has said. I would not give DL or the rest of management a total pass on that pick though, even if Ty was the main push. If they really thought it was a mistake, they should have over-ruled him. Interesting though that in the next draft what does DL choose? A PG.

Also, I read before the draft this year that guys who make the NCAA final four are way over-drafted, like 10 spots too high. Surprising that they could not see thought that his physical attributes were insufficient for a high pick: short, no hops, limited quickness.

 

[Stifle Tower]

you might want to look into the beginning of Hayward's sophomore year.

December: FGA 3.0-8.0 (.375) 3pointers 0.8-2.5 (.300)
January: FGA 3.0-7.9 (.381) 3pointers 0.7-2.5 (.263)
February: FGA 3.8-7.9 (.479) 3pointers 0.3-1.7 (.160)

mmmk. Look at the overall percentage. Never down to 30% as Trey's is right now. And I think after Gordon's rookie season, in which he shot 49%/47%, we KNEW Hayward could shoot. We DON'T know the same about Trey as this season's suckitude comes on the heels of a 38%/33% underwhelming performance in 70 games last year.

As for blame, yes, DL should take some heat. I don't care if Ty wanted Trey or not. But as I said in another post, I remember reading the Jazz really wanted a specific big and heard he would be gone at 14. That prompted the move up. Trey had been projected higher and he was BPA. I really don't fault the pick. What I do fault NOW is that the Jazz have NO other PG's on the roster (other than a rookie they don't want to start). They have a roster spot open; they should be the ones claiming guys like A.J. Price off waivers. Not sure what the waiver rules are early in the season. I'd guess right now it would be based on this year's record. But after 2-3 games? Have to think previous season's record is included. I believe Price was waived back on Nov. 1. If the Jazz can't trust Ian or Murry to pick up minutes for a struggling Trey, then those two shouldn't be on the roster.

 

[MDAV28]

I just want to thank trey for taking most of the criticism so it isn't all falling on alec who is also struggling to find his outside shot.

Also want to thank kanter for carrying the load during the first few games

Alec's outside shot so far is actually about the same or even better than last season. Where he is really struggling is at the rim right now. It's much less worrying to me than Trey though because we know Alec just must be in a slump at the rim cause he typically is a great finisher. With Trey, we don't really know if he is a good shooter in a slump because he has never been a good shooter.