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Udunka bout to get some-Today 1:00 PM

Or he could become a defensively dominant presence like Gobert and we could have 48 minutes of shot blocking and paint protection next season?
As good as Favors is - he is not on Gobert's level - Udoka may be.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The secondary argument that centers take a while to develop is flat out false. Many players take a long time to develop... the center position might be more complex than a 3 and D wing... but no god damn way is it harder than developing as a point guard or primary creator. Many centers function right out of the gate.
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Who are some centers drafted in the last 10 years, after position #20, that functioned right out of the gate?
 
One Brow said:
Who are some centers drafted in the last 10 years, after position #20, that functioned right out of the gate?
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How about Xavier ****ing Tillman this year...
 
One Brow said:

Xavier Tillman of the Memphis Grizzlies, NBA player stats

Xavier Tillman of the Memphis Grizzlies, NBA player stats including plus/minus data
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The 6'8" guy whose opponent PER is 35.4? What about him says "functional center" to you?
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That he is functional and plays backup center.

There have been a bunch of guys drafted in that range that were functional backups during their rookie year or by their second year. Most guys drafted in that range don’t play right away. There is nothing about centers that takes them longer to develop... you want a bigger list... remember we are talking about guys that are functional backup centers not starters.

-Jarrett allen
-jokic
- Daniel gafford
- Zubac
- Thomas Bryant
-Isiah Roby (splits his time between PF and center)
-Mitchell Robinson
- Montrez Harrell
 
I think HH is right. I didn't like the Udoka pick for obvious reasons, but in vacuum I didn't think he was a bad value because physical bigs later in the draft have had a decent track record of contributing. Usually they can start contributing in some capacity faster than most positions through sheer physical presence. There are so many examples of this.

Reality is, the Jazz FO probably saw their success with Gobert and applied some of the same things to draft Udoka. They went to the wishing well one too many times and got tunnel vision. The main difference here being that when Rudy was drafted, it was clear the Jazz were headed into a transition phase in the next few years with Big Al and Millsap. This time around we've locked in the most expensive C in history and also one of the most expensive backups in the league.

The hard part for Udoka is that he won't really have a chance. Even he is Rudy Gobert reincarnated, he's still going to playing in the G-League for 3 years sitting behind Gobert and Favors.
 
KqWIN said:
I think HH is right. I didn't like the Udoka pick for obvious reasons, but in vacuum I didn't think he was a bad value because physical bigs later in the draft have had a decent track record of contributing. Usually they can start contributing in some capacity faster than most positions through sheer physical presence. There are so many examples of this.

Reality is, the Jazz FO probably saw their success with Gobert and applied some of the same things to draft Udoka. They went to the wishing well one too many times and got tunnel vision. The main difference here being that when Rudy was drafted, it was clear the Jazz were headed into a transition phase in the next few years with Big Al and Millsap. This time around we've locked in the most expensive C in history and also one of the most expensive backups in the league.

The hard part for Udoka is that he won't really have a chance. Even he is Rudy Gobert reincarnated, he's still going to playing in the G-League for 3 years sitting behind Gobert and Favors.
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And the g league is a great tool for a year tops. Spend multiple years down there and it can be counterproductive. It helps get familiar with the system and gets a few reps but you need to get reps with and against real nba talent.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That he is functional and plays backup center.

There have been a bunch of guys drafted in that range that were functional backups during their rookie year or by their second year. Most guys drafted in that range don’t play right away. There is nothing about centers that takes them longer to develop... you want a bigger list... remember we are talking about guys that are functional backup centers not starters.

-Jarrett allen
-jokic
- Daniel gafford
- Zubac
- Thomas Bryant
-Isiah Roby (splits his time between PF and center)
-Mitchell Robinson
- Montrez Harrell
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Since your definition of "functional" seems to be "does not have two broken legs, and can be slotted into the center position if the coach so chooses", I will grant you that we have some 15 functional centers on our roster alone, and it is indeed the easiest position to fill.
 
One Brow said:
Since your definition of "functional" seems to be "does not have two broken legs, and can be slotted into the center position if the coach so chooses", I will grant you that we have some 15 functional centers on our roster alone, and it is indeed the easiest position to fill.
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You're right, Jokic, Jarrett Allen, 'Trez, Thomas Bryant, and more are not even functional. Sarcasm aside, that is an offensive amount of intellectual dishonesty from the poster who tries harder than anyone to position themselves as the resident intellectual of the board.

Let's flip this around; who are the centers that took two or more years to develop into functional backups and we'll compare lists.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
You position yourself as an intellectual but you plant your heels and plunge your head up your *** as bad as Cy does.

But you're right, Jokic, Jarrett Allen, 'Trez, Thomas Bryant, and more are not even functional.

Let's flip this around; who are the centers that took three or more years to develop into functional backups and we'll compare lists.
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What about the center we played last night? He scored 30+ on us without breaking a sweat. He looked like Joker after joining Jenny Craig. I’m just grateful the rest of his team sucked. If he had Murray and Barton, we could’ve been in trouble last night in Orlando.

I guess he doesn’t count as he was drafted before #20 at #16
 
Willie Reed was a functional backup in the NBA, but the front office saw so much more in Bradley that they moved on from Willie.
 
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