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A new publication in one of the most prestigious of science journals reports that Earth's climate is predictable by a simple rule, based on the finding that Earth climate is actually chaotic.....

If that's doesn't sound like nonsense, you're not reading at grade five level yet.. predictable chaos?????

This is the latest blow to "Settled Science":

"The existence of warm periods, or interglacials, in the generally cold climate of the Pleistocene epoch is well known from multiple lines of evidence. The timing of changes to the amount of solar radiation is regulated by small variations in Earth–Sun geometry. But a firm explanation for the timing of interglacials, and for the apparent changes in orbital configurations required to trigger them, has remained elusive. Chronis Tzedakis et al. now present a simple statistical model to predict interglacials on the basis of a threshold of summer insolation. The model successfully predicts the shift from glacial cycles about every 41,000 years to every 100,000 years one million years ago, and the increased likelihood of deglaciations as a function of time since the previous interglacial.
Variations in the Earth's orbit, axial tilt and precession are known to affect the amount and distribution of incoming solar radiation, and therefore climate. Numerical calculations can reconstruct these variations millions of years in the past, but theory suggests that they are inherently chaotic, making them uncertain before about 50 million years ago. Stephen Meyers and colleagues now use geological evidence from Colorado, USA to show that a chaotic shift in the orbital variation did indeed occur about 85 million years ago."

https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v542/n7642/full/542419a.html
 
All science is unsettled. It sounds like you're grasping at straws looking for confirmation bias. With the current levels of knowledge, the best explanation, far and wide, is that humans are causing an unprecedented climate shift (these usually happen over much longer periods).

If that turns out to be wrong, then it's wrong. But given the totality of current knowledge, and not just the papers that confirm what we'd like to be true, we have to act like it's generally correct.
 
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buck the science religion!

PROUD-FULL HERETIC RIGHT HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
All science is unsettled. It sounds like you're grasping at straws looking for confirmation bias. With the current levels of knowledge, the best explanation, far and wide, is that humans are causing an unprecedented climate shift (these usually happen over much longer periods).

If that turns out to be wrong, then it's wrong. But given the totality of current knowledge, and not just the papers that confirm what we'd like to be true, we have to act like it's generally correct.

I do not know a dadgum think about this but you climate guys act like we are all slowly boilin like frogs. Just don't seem right to me that half a degree change is gonna implode the planet. Hell, isn't life suppose to adapt anyway? Slow addition of some CO2 will be adapted to. No more scarin people in to a frenzy over nuthin.
 
I do not know a dadgum think about this but you climate guys act like we are all slowly boilin like frogs. Just don't seem right to me that half a degree change is gonna implode the planet. Hell, isn't life suppose to adapt anyway? Slow addition of some CO2 will be adapted to. No more scarin people in to a frenzy over nuthin.

SCIENCE DENIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stop denying science

ooh ands its settled science that there are 53 genders.
 
Every few years, Asimov's understanding of the progression of science is worth re-reading. It's about a 6-7 minute read and really worth your time. https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

The point is that we never are ever going to get it totally right, but that it's important over time that we continually get it progressively less wrong. All of the weird climate denying goes to a more common issue in the culture currently which is a rejection of the belief that things are knowable. Sad!
 
Every few years, Asimov's understanding of the progression of science is worth re-reading. It's about a 6-7 minute read and really worth your time. https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

The point is that we never are ever going to get it totally right, but that it's important over time that we continually get it progressively less wrong. All of the weird climate denying goes to a more common issue in the culture currently which is a rejection of the belief that things are knowable. Sad!
Bunch of dumbasses tbh.
 
Every few years, Asimov's understanding of the progression of science is worth re-reading. It's about a 6-7 minute read and really worth your time. https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

The point is that we never are ever going to get it totally right, but that it's important over time that we continually get it progressively less wrong. All of the weird climate denying goes to a more common issue in the culture currently which is a rejection of the belief that things are knowable. Sad!

there is no such thing as climate denyer. i get neg rep for making fun of the other side. but calling us deniers for years is the same thing. seems like you guys can dish it out but cant take it. not talking to u specifically.
 
Every few years, Asimov's understanding of the progression of science is worth re-reading. It's about a 6-7 minute read and really worth your time. https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm

The point is that we never are ever going to get it totally right, but that it's important over time that we continually get it progressively less wrong. All of the weird climate denying goes to a more common issue in the culture currently which is a rejection of the belief that things are knowable. Sad!

also by calling us deniers you are basically saying you are right and we are wrong(which might be) but if we all say ok the science is settled and never look at it again. what letsif you are wrong. then forever we will be wrong. you just said never gonna get it totally right. but to know if you are right or worng 5 months form now 5 eyars from now or 10 years from now, you need these so called "deniers".


but calling the opposition deniers puts the deniers on the right side of history!


why not call us man made climate skeptics.
 
why not call us man made climate skeptics.

There's not enough rational basis to even give it the dignity of referring to it as skepticism. Single degree global temperature moves have historically taken thousands of years; not a matter of decades. Science is politicized because we view all factual debate from the standpoint of tribal epistemology. My team/your team is just killing us.

The best version of conservative argument for government restraint is to say that even the smartest and most well meaning government functionary will believe he knows more and is wiser than he actually is and overreach and make horrendous mistakes. We will all be well-meaning idiots. The politicization of science takes that idea much much too far. It argues that there is no such thing as relative expertise and argues against the very idea of action based on consensus. Further its a recipe for inaction and sloth. It's an argument that doing the easiest thing, ignoring a potential problem, must necessarily be the right thing. It's frankly immoral. I wish we still had leaders who told us that we were good people for committing to do things that are hard.
 
I thought gender was an infinite spectrum. 56 seems arbitrary.
 
I only believe in 1 gender, the human gender.

Touche.



I am going to start using the bathroom I feel I most identify with day to day. Tomorrow is shaping up to be a "ladies" day so far.
 
I'm not sure what the problem is. This is just chaos theory applied to the orbital mechanics of our solar system. Chaos theory has been around for awhile now. As far as science being "unsettled", I think one of the basic principles is science is self correcting, or it isn't.....science!

https://news.wisc.edu/from-rocks-in-colorado-evidence-of-a-chaotic-solar-system/

"Using evidence from alternating layers of limestone and shale laid down over millions of years in a shallow North American seaway at the time dinosaurs held sway on Earth, the team led by UW–Madison Professor of Geoscience Stephen Meyers and Northwestern University Professor of Earth and Planetary Sciences Brad Sageman discovered the 87 million-year-old signature of a “resonance transition” between Mars and Earth. A resonance transition is the consequence of the “butterfly effect” in chaos theory. It plays on the idea that small changes in the initial conditions of a nonlinear system can have large effects over time."
 
BTW, as might be expected, deniers of human caused climate change have seized on this study to claim humans are not the principle cause of global warming. Silly folks....

https://climatefeedback.org/evaluat...-causes-climate-james-barrett-the-daily-wire/

I appreciate having this study of chaos theory applied to the orbital mechanics of the solar system brought to my attention. I was not aware of it, and it's fascinating, and pretty darn exciting, providing, as it does, the first clear evidence for the chaotic solar system theory....
 
Touche.



I am going to start using the bathroom I feel I most identify with day to day. Tomorrow is shaping up to be a "ladies" day so far.
Lol
 
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