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Dave, great post.

I think some of the posters are missing the point of why you have a strong spiritual feeling about what happened. Anyone could have told you to go to the hospital, however, during a blessing of health, one is expected to hear, get better or you will overcome this this, etc. I do feel that your friend was prompted by the spirit telling you to go to the hospital because nothing else could have healed you or helped you from your misery. The fact that you listened and recovered was you exercising your faith as well.

It's pretty cool to see such an *** clap such as yourself share an awesome story that read very powerful and spiritual.
 
Glad you're doing OK, Trout.

I think this is a large part of what faith is about--how you look at the world. The believer looks at a situation like this and sees a possible miracle. The unbeliever just chalks it up to coincidence. I think that's what Alma is talking about in Alma chapter 32, when he says "Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true... even if ye can no more than desire to believe, let this desire work in you". To let the desire work in you, you try to recognize God's hand in your life.
 
colton said:
Glad you're doing OK, Trout.

I think this is a large part of what faith is about--how you look at the world. The believer looks at a situation like this and sees a possible miracle. The unbeliever just chalks it up to coincidence. I think that's what Alma is talking about in Alma chapter 32, when he says "Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true... even if ye can no more than desire to believe, let this desire work in you". To let the desire work in you, you try to recognize God's hand in your life.
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I wouldn't chalk it up to coincidence. Having pacreatitus, going to the ER, coming home and then being in major pain doesn't lead to going to a hospital by coincidence. It's a very logical next step.

That said, if Trout comes away from this having a new perspective on life, call it spirituality if that's what it is to you.
 
Ok, now I feel a little bad about making jokes about how great lunch was on your facebook. Not really bad, but a little bad.
 
Gameface said:
I wouldn't chalk it up to coincidence. Having pacreatitus, going to the ER, coming home and then being in major pain doesn't lead to going to a hospital by coincidence. It's a very logical next step.
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Without using the "c-word", how do you explain the fact that just after the blessing, the IMC ER had a 1.5 hr wait, which prompted him to go to a different hospital where the doctor there finally was able to give the proper diagnosis?
 
colton said:
Without using the "c-word", how do you explain the fact that just after the blessing, the IMC ER had a 1.5 hr wait, which prompted him to go to a different hospital where the doctor there finally was able to give the proper diagnosis?
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I explain that as being a typical ER in the US. Anytime I have ever been, it's always been busy. Also, the first time he went was at 4:30am. I doubt an ER would be busier during that time than say, 11:30 to Midnight. Which is the second time he went.

Here is a link to back up my insight. https://forums.studentdoctor.net/archive/index.php/t-252581.html

I know it's a forum but it is from a student doctor forum and I think these people know what they are talking about seeing how they work in ER's. And yes, I realize it is old but not that old and things wouldn't change that much. As you read, people make interesting comments why some times are busier than others.

If people believe that the blessing gave him the chance to be seen by better doctors, so be it. I have not one problem with that. I'm just glad Trout didn't die.
 
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colton said:
Without using the "c-word", how do you explain the fact that just after the blessing, the IMC ER had a 1.5 hr wait, which prompted him to go to a different hospital where the doctor there finally was able to give the proper diagnosis?
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Unless I misread, TroutBum asked for a new diagnosis on the second visit. Thaqt probably would have happened at either hospital.
 
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Unless I misread, TroutBum asked for a new diagnosis on the second visit. That probably would have happened at either hospital.
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Also, if I were a doctor and a patient came to me explaining that situation, I would take my time to listen to him to see what exactly they did and why he wasn't better. It would help you find the problem that much quicker. I think that's just common sense, you don't have to be doctor to realize that.
 
You all are missing the point, although YB's "Oincidence" made me smile. The point isn't that the things that solved Trout's problem couldn't have happened due to natural phenomena--they certainly could--it's that they happened directly after the blessing... whereas he was struggling for days and days before getting the blessing. Therefore the blessing either facilitated matters, or else it was just coincidence that these things happened right after the blessing. The believer will see it one way; the unbeliever will see it the other way.
 
So God decided to cause ER worthy injuries/illnesses to happen to enough people to make the IMC so busy that he had to go to LDS hospital. This sounds completely negative, but I promise it isn't. I'm open to the idea, just not for me etc. I just think that it is one of those things that seems like a miracle if you look at it from one person's point of view, but if you are going to believe there was divine intervention or whatever that caused this to happen, it actually was worse for everyone but trout. I'm gonna go with "oincidence".
 
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