Warriors and Jazz Mega Trade
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//r00t 4 Jazz
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I agree with Colton, with the new CBA teams and players are adjusting, however as has been said in other threads the most affected player will be the mid tier guys. Because the top players will still get their big contracts and the low end players will still get their low contracts but teams aren't going to pay the penalty for mid level guys and so there wont be as many of those size of contracts as there used to be so they will have to take short but higher dollar contracts or longer smaller contracts (for more stability). Which IMO is what Rush will fit into and given his injury history he would be a prime target to not chance a short high dollar contract but a lower more year contract (assuming he does as well as I hope he does anyway).
Stifle Tower
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I guess someone would have to run the numbers on what the roster costs would likely be for the Core5 + next years pick and see if the Jazz could still fit Rush in with a 2-3 year deal. Definitely affordable for next season (Kanter and Burks in last year of rookie contracts). But years 2 and beyond might be tricky.
Coach Ellis
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Good reasoning by both sides. Like I said earlier, I think that whatever they do with Rush is a good decision. If he's healthy and playing off the bench this year, I'd prefer to see them trade him at the deadline for another pick. If that's not possible, they can extend him (hopefully for a bargain) or let his deal expire. No bad options with the guy except overpaying him long term and having his knees continue to give him trouble. Then the Jazz likely lose a core player instead.
You may be over thinking it a bit. We got Rush BECAUSE he blew his ACL second time? That's a bit of a stretch. We got Rush because he was expiring contract that GSW wanted to dump and they were willing to part with the pick. I personally hope and would be pleasantly surprised if Rush gives us Foye like production off the bench and stays injury free all year. 2 ACLs is tough to overcome - remember Raul Lopez. Rush is a filler at this point of his career, anything we get out of him is a bonus. I doubt much thought went into keeping him beyond this season - that's just premature at this point given he is still rehabbing from second ACL.
Gegenläufigen
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does anyone here think we are going to have all our draft picks 4 years from now
somone in the current core 5 wont be with us in the future
we will have to make trades and sign rotational fa sometime down the road if we are ever true contenders
somone in the current core 5 wont be with us in the future
we will have to make trades and sign rotational fa sometime down the road if we are ever true contenders
Coach Ellis
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Of course that's true, but it's better to see what the Core 5 can do with actual minutes and then develop, buy or trade for a bench.
The Jazz have Favors and Hayward coming due as RFA in the 2014 offseason. Kanter, Burks and possibly Neto (if Neto comes over on a 2 year deal right now) all as RFA in 2015. Burke and Gobert will be RFA in 2016. Those guys are all going to play big minutes over the next couple of years to help the Front Office gauge their effectiveness and value. Will they all be stars? Not likely. But some should be very good or possibly great core guys to build around. Others will be depth. Some might get traded to land a star player in the draft or free agency. Some will possibly get bumped down to the bench when new guys are drafted in 2014. Some might just leave in free agency instead of sticking around.
The jazz have a ton of picks to work with and look like they might struggle this year putting them in play for a top pick (or two) in a loaded draft. Tomic might be a player or asset if he ever comes over. The Core 5 are just the starting point to build a championship team. There's still a lot of moves that need to be made before they get there (including hopefully getting a better coach) but they've finally positioned themselves to make those moves and chase a ring.
Stifle Tower
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Good observations. I think we can keep the Core5 together for at least their next contracts. None of them are MAX players. Cap is around $58M and the luxury tax, IINM, is at $71M or so. But I could see the 2014 pick perhaps pushing one of those guys to the bench and then out the door in 4 years when that contract comes up. I think Lindsey was already looking ahead when he got the GS pick in 2017.
For what it is worth, I think I have found a bit more detail regarding whatthe second round picks are going to be. I was reading a Warriors board to see what they though of all that was going on and came across this listing of second round picks destined to various teams over the next 5 years.
So we could be getting second rounders from ATL or Philly which GSW has acquired in earlier trades, (hopefully 2014 from Philly) or GSW picks in 2016, 2017, and 2018. We do know the latest one is 2018 but not from who.
So we could be getting second rounders from ATL or Philly which GSW has acquired in earlier trades, (hopefully 2014 from Philly) or GSW picks in 2016, 2017, and 2018. We do know the latest one is 2018 but not from who.
green
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I'd do this:
Tinsley/Burke/Neal
Hayward/Burks
Rush/Williams/Jefferson
Favors/Evans
Kanter/Biedrens
Have Tinsley start but play Trey 30 mins a night. Once Trey feels good out there (whether one game or 40), start him.
You don't want to start 5 young guys. You don't want to kill them at first. It would be better to win some games early, the. Turn it over to the kids and lose a lot in the middle, then pull off some wins at the end of the year.
Tinsley/Burke/Neal
Hayward/Burks
Rush/Williams/Jefferson
Favors/Evans
Kanter/Biedrens
Have Tinsley start but play Trey 30 mins a night. Once Trey feels good out there (whether one game or 40), start him.
You don't want to start 5 young guys. You don't want to kill them at first. It would be better to win some games early, the. Turn it over to the kids and lose a lot in the middle, then pull off some wins at the end of the year.
Because we'd lose? (Shh.. we want to lose.)
Because they'd develop faster? (Shh.. we want that.)
Because Burke would be forced into a leadership role on the floor? (Yup, we want that as well.)
Because playing our core 5 together would allow them to begin building chemistry for years into the future? (Yup, think we want that as well.)
Start the five kids.
