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Ellipse said:
You may be right. However, I rest my hopes on the simple fact that no other Jazz team -- ever! -- had this much potential at all positions. It really boils down to how quickly this team can jell or if some of our diamonds-in-the-rough turn out to be no more than broken glass.
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True but no Jazz team has had a coach as inept as Corbin. Before anyone freaks out on me just think about the 3 seasons that he has been in charge. Not a lot of positives have come from him. Can he do better? Of course, in fact, it can only get better. Will he be better? I seriously doubt it.

Corbin in the perfect tank.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Please no more #14 picks. Ugh.
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This definately the worst case scenario but even if that happens its not too bad.

That would mean that with the worst bench in the nba, we almost made the playoffs in a loaded western conference (so our core 5 must be really good)
And we still have 2 picks in an amazing draft + lots o money to spend on a quality free agent next year.

Even that scenario is pretty good.

Silver linings folks..... drink the koolaid
 
orangello said:
It is bad. Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.
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I disagree..... it would mean burks, burke, fav, kanter, god were all pretty damn good..... which is not a bad thing in my opinion.

Plus the draft picks and free agency cash
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree..... it would mean burks, burke, fav, kanter, god were all pretty damn good..... which is not a bad thing in my opinion.

Plus the draft picks and free agency cash
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This. No matter how this turns out the Jazz win.
 
Stoked said:
This. No matter how this turns out the Jazz win.
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Pretty much this.

Only bad scenario possible would be for the jazz to suck real bad (like bottom five in the league) and then get screwed in the lottery with the 14th pick.
 
fishonjazz said:
Pretty much this.

Only bad scenario possible would be for the jazz to suck real bad (like bottom five in the league) and then get screwed in the lottery with the 14th pick.
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There is no way that happens. The worst case in the scenario you used is the Jazz finish the 5th worst and get jumped by three teams and end up with the 8th pick.
 
orangello said:
True but no Jazz team has had a coach as inept as Corbin. Before anyone freaks out on me just think about the 3 seasons that he has been in charge. Not a lot of positives have come from him. Can he do better? Of course, in fact, it can only get better. Will he be better? I seriously doubt it.

Corbin in the perfect tank.
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I'm not a TC fan, but you also have to look at his roster in those three years. I think those teams ended with records pretty close to what you would expect given the players.
 
heyhey said:
I'm not a TC fan, but you also have to look at his roster in those three years. I think those teams ended with records pretty close to what you would expect given the players.
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Let's do that, shall we?

Jefferson- Defensive liability but top 2 offensive center in the league. If he played on a winning team then he would have been a multiple time All-Star.
Millsap- Great all around player. Never an All-Star but always a consideration. Plays his best when he goes against better PF's.
Mo Williams- Former All-Star
Devin Harris- Former All-Star


I could keep going but my point has already been made.
 
Stoked said:
There is no way that happens. The worst case in the scenario you used is the Jazz finish the 5th worst and get jumped by three teams and end up with the 8th pick.
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sweet.... this season just gets better and better
 
fishonjazz said:
sweet.... this season just gets better and better
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Only plausible case where the jazz end up with the 14th pick is if the are the 14th worst. If they are a topd 5 worst team they will more than likely have a top 6 pick.
 
orangello said:
Let's do that, shall we?

Jefferson- Defensive liability but top 2 offensive center in the league. If he played on a winning team then he would have been a multiple time All-Star.
Millsap- Great all around player. Never an All-Star but always a consideration. Plays his best when he goes against better PF's.
Mo Williams- Former All-Star
Devin Harris- Former All-Star


I could keep going but my point has already been made.
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Jefferson will never be on a legit team where he is the primary option.
Millsap is a stud
Mo and Devin are FORMER all-stars. They are no longer that caliber of player.

By that logic we should sign Antwan Jamison. He could lead us to the promised land as he is a former all star (twice), bronze medalist and former 6th man of the year.
 
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orangello said:
Let's do that, shall we?

Jefferson- Defensive liability but top 2 offensive center in the league. If he played on a winning team then he would have been a multiple time All-Star.
Millsap- Great all around player. Never an All-Star but always a consideration. Plays his best when he goes against better PF's.
Mo Williams- Former All-Star
Devin Harris- Former All-Star


I could keep going but my point has already been made.
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This fits my argument more than yours.

The Jazz won 43 games last year and anyone rational who would have guessed their record at the start of the season would have put them in that range. I also find it funny how we should have benched Jefferson for Favors even though he's obviously a "perennial All-Star". You can't have it both ways. Either those players were mediocrity incarnate or we made a mistake with the youth movement. I don't think TC is probably the best coaching option long term(should be Horny) but we should give him the benefit of the doubt and see if he helps or hinders these young guys.
It is crazy annoying to me when NBA fans want to lay all the blame on their coaches. There are instances when it is warranted(Popovich game 6)but the game is largely won and lost by the guys on the court.
 
Lmao @ gello mentioning Mo. Dude was an absolute disaster last season. Our guard play will be the best that we've seen since DWill left IMO. Devin Harris was very underrated-- so Im thinking that our guards will be at worst as good as the 2012 season.
 
cctrackstar said:
I have maintained that the team will try to win and is in no way in tank mode.
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You may be right. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out a better win-now strategy, and I just can't think of a better idea than trading away cap space for future unprotected 1st rounders. The Jazz are clearly serious about going all in on winning this year, and getting back into being relevant again by grabbing that 8th seed or (dare I dream?) possibly even the 7th. I say good for them. It really makes no sense to be making future-minded moves when the team is as close as they are to being real contenders. It's like the song says: "Try and enjoy the here and now, the future will take care of itself somehow, the grass is never greener over there."

cctrackstar said:
Why am I talking about Alec right now? Because if we draft a top five player in this coming draft, the team will not be able to afford everyone, and one of our core players will have to go.
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Good point. Last thing we want is for something to happen like OKC with Harden. Talk about a nightmare.

cctrackstar said:
The Jazz can't tank well enough to get him. They just don't have it in them. They have this strange honor thing where they can't throw games on purpose, and even though they made moves that seem like they are willing to lose games, they keep trying to win by doing things like motivating Jefferson and Biedrins and signing veterans to mentor the young players.
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First off, tanking isn't about throwing games on purpose. It's about making moves that increase your odds of losing, during a time when those odds are pretty good anyway. Sure, there's plenty of grey area to argue about between the black and white, but it still comes down to splitting hairs. The Jazz are not going to come out of the gates trying to lose games by benching their best players with fake injuries, or anything silly like that. If this team can come together and figure out how to win, of course they'll try and go as far as they can. However, things will change if/once the team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That's how the majority of tanking happens anyway, and it's extremely common. That doesn't mean they're going to fake injuries, but you can bet they will err on the side of caution if their starters are banged up whatsoever. Let's just put it that way.

As for how good Utah is at tanking, last time around they targeted a position were they could come away with one of two PGs. Despite getting bumped back two spots, they still came away with their man. No doubt Utah was lucky that Portland bit, but there was nothing lucky about the fact KOC had prepared for the worst, and was still able to grab Deron when we should have missed him. Coming away with the #1 pick is obviously a much tougher task to pull off, but if Utah isn't in playoff contention this year, get ready to have your bright, shiny image of their nobleness completely shattered.
 
freakazoid said:
You may be right. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out a better win-now strategy, and I just can't think of a better idea than trading away cap space for future unprotected 1st rounders. The Jazz are clearly serious about going all in on winning this year, and getting back into being relevant again by grabbing that 8th seed or (dare I dream?) possibly even the 7th. I say good for them. It really makes no sense to be making future-minded moves when the team is as close as they are to being real contenders. It's like the song says: "Try and enjoy the here and now, the future will take care of itself somehow, the grass is never greener over there."



Good point. Last thing we want is for something to happen like OKC with Harden. Talk about a nightmare.



First off, tanking isn't about throwing games on purpose. It's about making moves that increase your odds of losing, during a time when those odds are pretty good anyway. Sure, there's plenty of grey area to argue about between the black and white, but it still comes down to splitting hairs. The Jazz are not going to come out of the gates trying to lose games by benching their best players with fake injuries, or anything silly like that. If this team can come together and figure out how to win, of course they'll try and go as far as they can. However, things will change if/once the team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. That's how the majority of tanking happens anyway, and it's extremely common. That doesn't mean they're going to fake injuries, but you can bet they will err on the side of caution if their starters are banged up whatsoever. Let's just put it that way.

As for how good Utah is at tanking, last time around they targeted a position were they could come away with one of two PGs. Despite getting bumped back two spots, they still came away with their man. No doubt Utah was lucky that Portland bit, but there was nothing lucky about the fact KOC had prepared for the worst, and was still able to grab Deron when we should have missed him. Coming away with the #1 pick is obviously a much tougher task to pull off, but if Utah isn't in playoff contention this year, get ready to have your bright, shiny image of their nobleness completely shattered.
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We're going to make the playoffs.



Why, you ask? Well:




1) Trey Burke
2) that 2012 playoff experience is goin to be huge for our young core-now-vets.
 
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