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"We're going to war, bro."

Gameface said:
This kid is a young Army soldier. What do you think 18 year olds join the Army for?
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Cause they don't have any other worthy prospects and want someone to feed them, clothe them and take care of them all while learning some valuable skills that could help them in their future careers and give them college money and discounts on things etc etc.

If I could go back I would join the military without a doubt and I would hope that I would never go to war.

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Lol. If Trump’s base is represented by some war hungry 18 year old, then his re-election chances are zero.
But, yeah, this is just another stupid remark by Wes. Trump’s base is something else.
 
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Wes Mantooth said:
I hear ya, GF. I just don’t think it’ll make a difference at all. If anything, I think it’ll fuel his people. R’s will look at the economy and this moment and proudly vote for him, disgust on their face as they see whatever D’s name appears below his in the booth. Because that’s what 97% of them do.

I guess the other 3% needs to really swing and vote their *** off.
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I think this is a simplification and misunderstanding (and wishful thinking?) of a lot of Trump voters. Since he announced his run, people have been clamoring for the idea of something that will “sink” him and have gotten pretty desperate with what they cling to. As one of the few open Trump voters on this forum, I’d say this is probably the biggest enthusiasm hurter amongst a reasonable sized contingent of voters. Those people aren’t going out to pull the lever for whoever the Democrats nominate, but it hurts enthusiasm. I’m not really in support of this, but it would take a lot of nuance to unpack what that means, but simplistically I’d say I’m opposed. Could swing to a consideration for Tulsi on principle if she were running third party (she said she’s not), which is funny because everyone saying she’d siphon off Democrat votes and is doing the bidding of Russia. And I guess Trump taking an aggressive stance toward Iran is doing Russia’s bidding, or something, too. Those damn Russians. Why haven’t we started a war with them yet?
 
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INCLUDES TRUMP AND ALL DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES WHO RECEIVED CONTRIBUTIONS AND HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THE NOV. 20 DEBATE. SOURCE: THE CENTER FOR RESPONSIVE POLITICS.
 
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infection said:
I think this is a simplification and misunderstanding (and wishful thinking?) of a lot of Trump voters. Since he announced his run, people have been clamoring for the idea of something that will “sink” him and have gotten pretty desperate with what they cling to. As one of the few open Trump voters on this forum, I’d say this is probably the biggest enthusiasm hurter amongst a reasonable sized contingent of voters. Those people aren’t going out to pull the lever for whoever the Democrats nominate, but it hurts enthusiasm. I’m not really in support of this, but it would take a lot of nuance to unpack what that means, but simplistically I’d say I’m opposed. Could swing to a consideration for Tulsi on principle if she were running third party (she said she’s not), which is funny because everyone saying she’d siphon off Democrat votes and is doing the bidding of Russia. And I guess Trump taking an aggressive stance toward Iran is doing Russia’s bidding, or something, too. Those damn Russians. Why haven’t we started a war with them yet?
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What are they clinging to? I'm interested to hear this.
 
Trump’s ace in the hole is the economy. Most everyone has a job. Their children have jobs, their parents have jobs, their friends have jobs. Some of these also have pensions. Jobs are monumentally important. And that’s his go to.
 
infection said:
Well, Russiagate for one.
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Why on earth after the cohorts in prison, lawsuits, frauds, sexual assaults, lies, childish behavior, threats, Ukraine dirt-digging, etc. would you claim people against Trump are clinging to something?

Do you have kids? Will you let them go to war and possibly die the Middle East if called upon by Trump because of his recent action?
 
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Why on earth after the cohorts in prison, lawsuits, frauds, sexual assaults, lies, childish behavior, threats, Ukraine dirt-digging, etc. would you claim people against Trump are clinging to something?

Do you have kids? Will you let them go to war and possibly die the Middle East if called upon by Trump because of his recent action?
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I'm assuming you didn't read my post.
 
I suspect the Iranian leaders are, at this point, and at the very least, asking themselves "what is this guy Trump capable of?". They have to respond, but they must be concerned with what type of response will not unleash more then they would bargain for. Now they know that Trump, unlike the time he called off a drone strike with minutes to spare, won't always just sit back and do nothing.

How this affects the election will depend in part on what unfolds in front of us moving forward.

The "sane and thoughtful" advisors, like Mattis, are gone now. Bolton is on the sidelines cheering for regime change. Pompeo wants regime change.

I find it hard to believe that Bolton, if he testifies at the impeachment trial, would want to hurt Trump badly enough to elect a Democrat in November. On the other hand, he is such a war hawk, maybe he feels he has enough to actually topple Trump, get appointed National Security Advisor a second time, under a President Pence, and resume pushing for regime change in Iran. Nobody wants full out war with Iran more then Bolton. And Pompeo has made it clear he sees Iran through the prism of biblical prophecy, as in the end times. I'd rather our foreign policy leaders not be immersed in history as evengelicals see it.
 
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