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What an embarrassing night for all Jazz fans (4/14/14). Tank crowd can suck a fat one. (LONG)

bordelais7 said:
Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks, Burke, etc. are not 10 years old (will provide link/source later). They may still learn and improve, but the return on that investment is barely noticeable compared to when they were younger. The coach's job at this level is not to teach them how to dribble or how to shoot or "how to win" -- they already have that skillset for the most part. His job is to put them in a position to succeed.
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I disagree entirely. Winning in the NBA is different than any level these youngsters have played at, and an NBA coach NEEDS to teach these young'ns what it takes to win. As for putting them in a position to succeed, that should entail coaching them so as they fix the errors they make on both sides of the ball.

Since Corbin has been the coach, the Jazz have been among the worst in the league in transition defense and pick-and-roll defense. Guess what? The NBA is primarily an up and down game, and 2-man or 1-man isos in the halfcourt.

It's one thing if our bigs are so physically limited to the point where they can't hedge and recover, or our guards can't fight over a screen or trail a cutter the proper way, but from my perspective our five are solid athletically (compared to others around the league at their position) and have plenty of raw tools to continue to sharpen to become even better.

For now, lets focus on Kanter who I've been in love with since I saw him workout before he got to Kentucky...

He's got unteachable/natural size, strength and mobility for a big guy. He also possesses that intangible 'nose for the ball' in terms of rebounding, and understands fighting for position before/as shots go up. Lastly, he's got great touch and a great feel for how to score in the post.

However, he was beyond raw entering the league in terms of the competition he plays against in the NBA. He was as lost defensively last night as he was in the preseason. Forget about being involved defensively in a pick-and-roll, lets focus on his understanding of team defense and help-side - or lack thereof. Maybe he's just one big dumbass and hasn't made a stride despite hours of film breakdown with the coaches, or maybe the coaches were ineffective in teaching him those vital fundamentals on defense in the NBA. Either way, any improvement he makes in that category makes us that much better on a nightly basis. There are countless examples for the other guys two in different facets of the game.

My hope was to have had a staff in place this season to help the progression for our five (even if making the playoffs was never a possibility). The little things all these guys need to learn are what add up to 'winning games'. All five were lotto picks for a reason. We'd be in much better shape for next year (regardless if we end up with the 1 or 7 in this draft) had that been the case. We'll see if the new staff can be more effective in teaching our lotto picks the nuances that are critical to success.
 
addictionary said:
Jazz do need to learn how to win games. And yes, it's more important than a draft pick. But if you acquire a superstar candidate, you have a product in your hand for the association to support with advertising etc. So you have a bigger chance of growing your franchise into a true contender for the ages.

You see, the problem with the Jazz is, they might have picked the wrong guy to control this process. Corbin's Jazz team was one of the most high potential young roster in the league but this season showed that he is lacking the ability to lead them to a point. A point like the Spurs team. Or a point like OKC.
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dude, can't you just stick with one font-family?
 
HighlandHomie said:
I disagree entirely. Winning in the NBA is different than any level these youngsters have played at, and an NBA coach NEEDS to teach these young'ns what it takes to win. As for putting them in a position to succeed, that should entail coaching them so as they fix the errors they make on both sides of the ball.

All five were lotto picks for a reason. We'd be in much better shape for next year (regardless if we end up with the 1 or 7 in this draft) had that been the case. We'll see if the new staff can be more effective in teaching our lotto picks the nuances that are critical to success.
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Yes, Corbin sucks. 95% of this board thinks he sucks and has thought that for the past three years. Sidney Lowe is even worse. We need better coaching and better development of our young core. No one is arguing that fact.

That doesn't mean all is lost - we just need to ensure Corbin is gone and we have an excellent replacement.

As for the idea that we'd be better off with "teaching the young guys how to win" in a way that would result with 4 more wins this year (which is the 7th record in the NBA) resulting in a draft pick of Vonleh, or getting, say Wiggins or Parker, you are an absolute fool if you don't think the latter option is far, far better.

While it sucks the young core didn't develop as much this year as they could have under a different coach, assuming a coaching change next year, they'll have plenty of opportunities to learn those same lessons then.
 
LeMarcus Aldridge would be "learning how to win" in a different team by now if POR hadn't drafted Lillard.


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